Michel - see below. Can you clarify. At this point I'm just trying to understand more precisely how the different groups are functioning and what they are trying to accomplish.
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote: > Just to remind you, what we have at the P2P Foundation is a series of > 'hoses' or pipes, that are underutilized at this stage, > What do you mean by this? Am sorry for my ignorance but I'm not familiar with exactly how P2P operates - thanks,. > > Combining the right wiki categories, blog archive sections, and combined > delicious tag on the same subject domain would create at least a dozen > selective 'best of' pointers of the main trends and activities in that > subject domain. For me, this would be a first step, the raw material. (we > can of course add similar best of selections). > Are you suggesting that we define a set of subject domains, with a coordinated tagging procedure, that we want to closely study? Have you already defined a set of tags that you systematically use at P2P? If so, where can this be found? In principle, I think that this is a good idea. There's lots to be said about the merits of top-down information structuring and whether that is the way to go. As some of you know, I support, in a constrained way, this way of structuring information in collaborative groups as it serves to get us thinking about things similarly etc. > > As a transition step, we could have some collective choice system, a la > digg, which allows important items to bubble up .. > > Then, on the basis of those channels, we could create some added value > synthesis, resulting in period reports for clients or the market . > Collectively we have a huge amount of information and are tapped into this space much more than most people and organizations in the world. I am in favour of leveraging this knowledge to create value added reports. > > Is this off base, or also what some people have in mind, more or less? > > Michel > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Suresh Fernando < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The larger objective (as I see it) with this sort of mechanism is to >> define specific workflows that can serve to connect the various groups that >> have missions that are connected at a high level but that are working >> independently in a manner that allows the groups to retain their autonomy. >> >> Specifically, OK, CoCo, Forward Foundation and the P2P Foundation are >> working, at least in some sense, towards figuring out how to utilize the >> principles of web 2.0, P2P architecture, open collaboration, networks etc >> for social benefit. >> >> The operational challenge, therefore, is to ensure that we work together >> collaboratively without the unrealistic assumption that we will merge our >> own projects into the projects of others. We all have a vested interest in >> the maintenance of what we have built and are continuing to build. >> >> Hence there is an inherent tension between the larger collective >> objectives and our self interest in maintaining our own brands. >> >> The key is to recognize and embrace this, not to see it as a flaw, a >> failure of collaboration or something like that. >> >> One way to do this this is, as Sam has suggested,* jointly connect >> content across various platforms*. For example, ensure that all >> collaboration related content from OK is posted to CoCo and vice versa. All >> P2P related content flows back and forth from the P2P website.... >> >> This way, we leverage and reuse the work that we are all doing >> independently and yet retain the autonomy of the various groups. >> >> I think this is a necessary step if we are to get groups such as the ones >> represented in this discussion more closely aligned. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Suresh >> >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Michel Bauwens >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> sounds very sensible, I will follow you on this Sam, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Howard Rheingold < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I like. >>>> >>>> >>>> Howard Rheingold [email protected] http://twitter.com/hrheingold >>>> http://www.rheingold.com http://www.smartmobs.com >>>> http://vlog.rheingold.com >>>> what it is ---> is --->up to us >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Samuel Rose wrote: >>>> >>>> If Forward Foundation creates a method for distribution, then we could >>>>> partner with Michel, and P2P foundation, as well as potentially others >>>>> interested, in the co-governance of the project as it lives in >>>>> multiple places, but is archived in a uniform/open archive method. >>>>> >>>>> Forward Foundation would be glad to take the ownership and >>>>> responsibility. Both Paul and myself helped work on the site code, the >>>>> summaries, and the blogging/community/etc and we're both very >>>>> intimately familiar with the content within. We are also both familiar >>>>> with many of the people in the community that emerged around CoCo. FF >>>>> is working now on contributing more to the pool of research for CoCo >>>>> as part of regular Forward Found activities. >>>>> >>>>> Further growth will likely depend on multiple people, rather than just >>>>> one person. I think that OK, P2P foundation, and FF could all easily >>>>> partner and collaborate on co-governance of the project, on helping to >>>>> grow and promote, and on growing it in distributed ways. >>>>> >>>>> I propose a networked partnership between our groups, assuming all are >>>>> interested, in carrying out the co-governance, promoting, growing, and >>>>> creating a way to distribute the content. >>>>> >>>>> So, this means that it could live on P2P wiki, OK wiki, and FF, plus a >>>>> revised version of the site itself, which now aggregates from those 3 >>>>> wikis, when a category is placed on a new summary, or when it is >>>>> changed to type "Publish CoCo" in OK and FF, and all could be synced >>>>> with an archive which itself is output in a standard archiving format. >>>>> Co-governance could be handled by way of timed consensus polling of >>>>> partner groups (we could establish a simple constitution first) <-- >>>>> Howard could be involved in as much or little of this as he wishes. >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus_polling >>>>> >>>>> Furthermore, both P2P foundation in europe, and FF in US could seek >>>>> funding or donation for the ongoing maint. of CoCo and it's archives, >>>>> and the added value from distributing it and making it available in >>>>> multiple formats. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Michel Bauwens < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> wherever it will be located, further growth will be dependent on >>>>>> someone >>>>>> taking ownwership/responsibiltiy of the project, and motivating others >>>>>> .. >>>>>> just placing it with a general request won't lead to much further >>>>>> growth I >>>>>> think, >>>>>> >>>>>> is there such a person? >>>>>> >>>>>> Michel >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Howard Rheingold < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My original hope was that many people would build on our summaries >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> that the original summaries would serve as models of the level of >>>>>>> quality >>>>>>> we'd like to see. So, yes! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Howard Rheingold [email protected] http://twitter.com/hrheingold >>>>>>> http://www.rheingold.com http://www.smartmobs.com >>>>>>> http://vlog.rheingold.com >>>>>>> what it is ---> is --->up to us >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Samuel Rose wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could also be interesting to see people contributing summaries at p2p >>>>>>>> found, and we will be doing similar summaries as forward foundation, >>>>>>>> and also making those public as well. So, we as forward foundation >>>>>>>> could make an archive from many participants who are contributing, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> also give them a way to import contributions from the network. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think about that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Howard Rheingold >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for your kind offer, Michel. It isn't in danger of >>>>>>>>> disappearing, >>>>>>>>> but I've been paying for the server for years now, and I have half >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> dozen >>>>>>>>> such subscriptions, so I am thinking of handing it off to a more >>>>>>>>> permanent >>>>>>>>> home that won't depend on me renewing the hosting subscription >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>> year. I >>>>>>>>> like the idea of exportable local copies with embedded attribution. >>>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>> should probably put a cc license on it right away. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is no urgency. If Stanford doesn't step up, let's look at >>>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>>> it to >>>>>>>>> Sam's or your server. I was interested in the alliance with the >>>>>>>>> Persuasive >>>>>>>>> Technology Lab because maybe they could recruit students to add >>>>>>>>> summaries >>>>>>>>> and blog posts. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Howard Rheingold [email protected] http://twitter.com/ >>>>>>>>> hrheingold >>>>>>>>> http://www.rheingold.com http://www.smartmobs.com >>>>>>>>> http://vlog.rheingold.com >>>>>>>>> what it is ---> is --->up to us >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Samuel Rose wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think there is a danger of losing the actual content, as >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> are many places the site/db can be hosted. Although, it could be >>>>>>>>>> useful for people to have an exportable local copy (think about >>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>> like p2pwiki, http://thewikireader.com/ etc etc) so eventually >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> could make it possible for people to import into their mediawikis, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> other places, with embedded attribution if Howard agrees. (There >>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>> declared license on the content on the site). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Michel Bauwens >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sam, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you ask how we can strengthen CoCo ... just a general statement, >>>>>>>>>>> I am >>>>>>>>>>> swamped myself, any cooperation is welcome as long as it aligns >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>> I'm already doing for p2p-f ... I have a question about the >>>>>>>>>>> archive of >>>>>>>>>>> CoCo, >>>>>>>>>>> which had done so much serious work around the cooperation >>>>>>>>>>> literature. >>>>>>>>>>> Depending on howard's and the coco community wishes, if there is >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> danger >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> it disappearing, then certainly, I would be very open to >>>>>>>>>>> incorporate >>>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>>> project on the p2p-f wiki. It seems there is a natural fit, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Howard, there could be some useful connections for whatever CoCo >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> the way that Open Kollab, P2P Foundation, and Forward Foundation >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> starting to collaborate in effective ways. At least, in terms of >>>>>>>>>>>> ongoing research, maintaining of open knowledge bases, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We are refining and improving weekly the way that we all work >>>>>>>>>>>> together. It would be really awesome to figure out how to >>>>>>>>>>>> efficiently >>>>>>>>>>>> and usefully integrate CoCo into this emerging ecology. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Many of us met in CoCo list, and we are now really seriously >>>>>>>>>>>> digging >>>>>>>>>>>> into some worthwhile projects and collaborations, and >>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizing of >>>>>>>>>>>> workflows. So, I agree with Matt that CoCo as project or >>>>>>>>>>>> community is >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely missed here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> c> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Matt Cooperrider >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> just thinking about CoCo after Marc Dangeard's recent post >>>>>>>>>>>>> there. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned he's got a new partnership/funding opportunity to >>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot >>>>>>>>>>>>> coco. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Since CoCo is very research-focused, it seems complementary to >>>>>>>>>>>>> OK. >>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe >>>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>>> should get Howard on a call just to trade ideas? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also, as I type this, i realize that marc dangeard's work with >>>>>>>>>>>>> entrepreneur >>>>>>>>>>>>> commons - http://entrepreneurcommons.googlepages.com/ - is >>>>>>>>>>>>> right in >>>>>>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the OKfund >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> any thoughts? mybe we can talk about this tomorrow >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Cooperrider, Consultant >>>>>>>>>>>>> BLOG: http://mattcoop.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> SITE: http://collabforge.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> TWITTER: @mattcoop >>>>>>>>>>>>> PHONE: 774.487.8152 >>>>>>>>>>>>> M.O.: http://notanemployee.net/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Sam Rose >>>>>>>>>>>> Social Synergy >>>>>>>>>>>> Tel:+1(517) 639-1552 >>>>>>>>>>>> Cel: +1-(517)-974-6451 >>>>>>>>>>>> skype: samuelrose >>>>>>>>>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> http://socialsynergyweb.com >>>>>>>>>>>> http://forwardfound.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://socialsynergyweb.org/culturing >>>>>>>>>>>> http://flowsbook.panarchy.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> http://socialmediaclassroom.com >>>>>>>>>>>> http://localfoodsystems.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://notanemployee.net >>>>>>>>>>>> http://communitywiki.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with >>>>>>>>>>>> human >>>>>>>>>>>> ambition." - Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhurakij_Pundit_University - >>>>>>>>>>> Research: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.dpu.ac.th/dpuic/info/Research.html - Think thank: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.asianforesightinstitute.org/index.php/eng/The-AFI >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>>>>>>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Connect: http://p2pfoundation.ning.com; 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