One way to resolve the tension between the larger common objectives
and the individual interests of various groups could start by rallying
everybody under a common label.
Having many names for many things working towards the same goals
create confusion in people's mind, so one issue to resolve is one of
branding.
Once a common label, that can exist next to the invidual brands, is
accepted by everybody, then we can attach to this name a process of
governance: who gets in, who gets out and how decisions are taken.
I like very much the process of consensus polling, it is certainly
worth giving it a try.

Collaboratively putting together such a label would be a great
demonstration of the power of the larger vision.
And the simple fact that this discussion is on the table is a very
positive sign that this is something that can be done.


On Dec 5, 9:47 am, Suresh Fernando <[email protected]>
wrote:
> The larger objective (as I see it) with this sort of mechanism is to define
> specific workflows that can serve to connect the various groups that have
> missions that are connected at a high level but that are working
> independently in a manner that allows the groups to retain their autonomy.
>
> Specifically, OK, CoCo, Forward Foundation and the P2P Foundation are
> working, at least in some sense, towards figuring out how to utilize the
> principles of web 2.0, P2P architecture, open collaboration, networks etc
> for social benefit.
>
> The operational challenge, therefore, is to ensure that we work together
> collaboratively without the unrealistic assumption that we will merge our
> own projects into the projects of others. We all have a vested interest in
> the maintenance of what we have built and are continuing to build.
>
> Hence there is an inherent tension between the larger collective objectives
> and our self interest in maintaining our own brands.
>
> The key is to recognize and embrace this, not to see it as a flaw, a failure
> of collaboration or something like that.
>
> One way to do this this is, as Sam has suggested,* jointly connect content
> across various platforms*. For example, ensure that all collaboration
> related content from OK is posted to CoCo and vice versa. All P2P related
> content flows back and forth from the P2P website....
>
> This way, we leverage and reuse the work that we are all doing independently
> and yet retain the autonomy of the various groups.
>
> I think this is a necessary step if we are to get groups such as the ones
> represented in this discussion more closely aligned.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Suresh
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:09 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> > sounds very sensible, I will follow you on this Sam,
>
> > Michel
>
> > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Howard Rheingold <[email protected]
> > > wrote:
>
> >> I like.
>
> >> Howard Rheingold [email protected]http://twitter.com/hrheingold
> >>http://www.rheingold.com http://www.smartmobs.com
> >>http://vlog.rheingold.com
> >> what it is ---> is --->up to us
>
> >>  On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>
> >> If Forward Foundation creates a method for distribution, then we could
> >>> partner with Michel, and P2P foundation, as well as potentially others
> >>> interested, in the co-governance of the project as it lives in
> >>> multiple places, but is archived in a uniform/open archive method.
>
> >>> Forward Foundation would be glad to take the ownership and
> >>> responsibility. Both Paul and myself helped work on the site code, the
> >>> summaries, and the blogging/community/etc and we're both very
> >>> intimately familiar with the content within. We are also both familiar
> >>> with many of the people in the community that emerged around CoCo. FF
> >>> is working now on contributing more to the pool of research for CoCo
> >>> as part of regular Forward Found activities.
>
> >>> Further growth will likely depend on multiple people, rather than just
> >>> one person. I think that OK, P2P foundation, and FF could all easily
> >>> partner and collaborate on co-governance of the project, on helping to
> >>> grow and promote, and on growing it in distributed ways.
>
> >>> I propose a networked partnership between our groups, assuming all are
> >>> interested, in carrying out the co-governance, promoting, growing, and
> >>> creating a way to distribute the content.
>
> >>> So, this means that it could live on P2P wiki, OK wiki, and FF, plus a
> >>> revised version of the site itself, which now aggregates from those 3
> >>> wikis, when a category is placed on a new summary, or when it is
> >>> changed to type "Publish CoCo" in OK and FF, and all could be synced
> >>> with an archive which itself is output in a standard archiving format.
> >>> Co-governance could be handled by way of timed consensus polling of
> >>> partner groups (we could establish a simple constitution first) <--
> >>> Howard could be involved in as much or little of this as he wishes.
>
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus_polling
>
> >>> Furthermore, both P2P foundation in europe, and FF in US could seek
> >>> funding or donation for the ongoing maint. of CoCo and it's archives,
> >>> and the added value from distributing it and making it available in
> >>> multiple formats.
>
> >>> What do you think?
>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> wherever it will be located, further growth will be dependent on someone
> >>>> taking ownwership/responsibiltiy of the project, and motivating others
> >>>> ..
> >>>> just placing it with a general request won't lead to much further growth
> >>>> I
> >>>> think,
>
> >>>> is there such a person?
>
> >>>> Michel
>
> >>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Howard Rheingold <
> >>>> [email protected]>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> My original hope was that many people would build on our summaries and
> >>>>> that the original summaries would serve as models of the level of
> >>>>> quality
> >>>>> we'd like to see.  So, yes!
>
> >>>>> Howard Rheingold [email protected]http://twitter.com/hrheingold
> >>>>>http://www.rheingold.com http://www.smartmobs.com
> >>>>>http://vlog.rheingold.com
> >>>>> what it is ---> is --->up to us
>
> >>>>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:36 AM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>
> >>>>> Could also be interesting to see people contributing summaries at p2p
> >>>>>> found, and we will be doing similar summaries as forward foundation,
> >>>>>> and also making those public as well. So, we as forward foundation
> >>>>>> could make an archive from many participants who are contributing, and
> >>>>>> also give them a way to import contributions from the network.
>
> >>>>>> What do you think about that?
>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Howard Rheingold
> >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for your kind offer, Michel. It isn't in danger of
> >>>>>>> disappearing,
> >>>>>>> but I've been paying for the server for years now, and I have half a
> >>>>>>> dozen
> >>>>>>> such subscriptions, so I am thinking of handing it off to a more
> >>>>>>> permanent
> >>>>>>> home that won't depend on me renewing the hosting subscription every
> >>>>>>> year. I
> >>>>>>> like the idea of exportable local copies with embedded attribution.
> >>>>>>> We
> >>>>>>> should probably put a cc license on it right away.
>
> >>>>>>> There is no urgency. If Stanford doesn't step up, let's look at
> >>>>>>> moving
> >>>>>>> it to
> >>>>>>> Sam's or your server. I was interested in the alliance with the
> >>>>>>> Persuasive
> >>>>>>> Technology Lab because maybe they could recruit students to add
> >>>>>>> summaries
> >>>>>>> and blog posts.
>
> >>>>>>> Howard Rheingold [email protected]http://twitter.com/hrheingold
> >>>>>>>http://www.rheingold.com http://www.smartmobs.com
> >>>>>>>http://vlog.rheingold.com
> >>>>>>> what it is ---> is --->up to us
>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Samuel Rose wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> I don't think there is a danger of losing the actual content, as
> >>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>> are many places the site/db can be hosted. Although, it could be
> >>>>>>>> useful for people to have an exportable local copy (think about
> >>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>> like p2pwiki,http://thewikireader.com/ etc etc)  so eventually we
> >>>>>>>> could make it possible for people to import into their mediawikis,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> other places, with embedded attribution if Howard agrees. (There is
> >>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>> declared license on the content on the site).
>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Michel Bauwens
> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sam,
>
> >>>>>>>>> you ask how we can strengthen CoCo ... just a general statement, I
> >>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>>> swamped myself, any cooperation is welcome as long as it aligns
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>> I'm already doing for p2p-f ... I have a question about the archive
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> CoCo,
> >>>>>>>>> which had done so much serious work around the cooperation
> >>>>>>>>> literature.
> >>>>>>>>> Depending on howard's and the coco community wishes, if there is a
> >>>>>>>>> danger
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> it disappearing, then certainly, I would be very open to
> >>>>>>>>> incorporate
> >>>>>>>>> as a
> >>>>>>>>> project on the p2p-f wiki. It seems there is a natural fit,
>
> >>>>>>>>> Michel
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Howard, there could be some useful connections for whatever CoCo
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> the way that Open Kollab, P2P Foundation, and Forward Foundation
> >>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>> starting to collaborate in effective ways. At least, in terms of
> >>>>>>>>>> ongoing research, maintaining of open knowledge bases, etc.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> We are refining and improving weekly the way that we all work
> >>>>>>>>>> together. It would be really awesome to figure out how to
> >>>>>>>>>> efficiently
> >>>>>>>>>> and usefully integrate CoCo into this emerging ecology.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Many of us met in CoCo list, and we are now really seriously
> >>>>>>>>>> digging
> >>>>>>>>>> into some worthwhile projects and collaborations, and synthesizing
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> workflows. So, I agree with Matt that CoCo as project or community
> >>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> definitely missed here.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> c>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Matt Cooperrider
> >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> just thinking about CoCo after Marc Dangeard's recent post there.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Howard
> >>>>>>>>>>> mentioned he's got a new partnership/funding opportunity to
> >>>>>>>>>>> reboot
>
> ...
>
> read more »

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