On 2022-01-04, at 14:02, Jeremy O'Donoghue <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I absolutely would not put the CWT CDDL into RFC8152bis – it is a payload 
> definition, and RFC8152 is nicely agnostic as to payload right now – it makes 
> sense to keep it that way.

Obviously.

But before I agree with you any further, please note that we are not at liberty 
to put new work into the two RFCs-to-be (9051 and 9052) that used to be called 
RFC8152bis.  These are approved documents, and they have long left the WG.

> I agree with Laurence that RFC8152bis needs a way to indicate the payload 
> type.

I don’t understand this sentence, not only because RFC8152bis doesn’t really 
need anything (see above), but also because there is common header “content 
type” (label 3), which is a way to indicate the payload type.

Note that CWT is reasonably well-defined (suffering only by the lack of CDDL 
definitions for the individual registrations, and of a CDDL framework to put 
these in).  All we seem to be discussing is the editorial matter where to put a 
CDDL definition that expresses that content.  We are doing this not because we 
“need” it, but to make it easier to exercise the well-defined extension points 
CWT offers.

I’m not sure I understand the rest of the message given that background.
There is no need for a CWTbis.  Any document could define that CDDL, even EAT. 
I’d still prefer to have this CDDL text and the accompanying conventions 
explained in a separate document.  (No, splitting that out doesn’t need to 
delay EAT.)  Which WG gets to run the process for agreeing that document is a 
second-order consideration; the decision should be dominated by quality and 
expediency considerations (including any rechartering that may be required).  
There is no need to wait with writing that document while that decision is 
being made by the SEC ADs; we can simply discuss it by cross-posting to all 
candidate WGs.

As a general observation, the IETF is really bad in writing up small tweaks to 
an existing specification that may be needed for new work unless that happens 
in the same WG.  Another contributor to the appetite for large, long-running 
WGs...

Grüße, Carsten


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