AFAICT, C509 certificate signatures DO NOT use COSE; the signature is calculated over 
non-wrapped ("raw") CBOR using
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-cose-cbor-encoded-cert-13.html#name-deterministic-encoding

It is interesting to note that this (very useful) method have been slammed as a 
generic solution:
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-rundgren-universal-cbor-06.html#name-enveloped-signatures

Anders




On 2025-03-23 04:58, Michael Richardson wrote:

Orie Steele <[email protected]> wrote:
     > Similar to how c509 doesn't specify a complete bi-directional lossless
     > mapping for all things an x509 cert can include, there will be 
differences
     > in what "Native COSE" and "Pure COSE" can do and how they do it...

     > Btw, I don't love either of these terms "Native or Pure"... Sorry I don't
     > have anything better to offer...

I think we should call it DER-signed and COSE-signed.

I am pleased to hear that there are CA interested in COSE-signed.

But I am dismayed that multiple people spoke up in favour of COSE-signed who
were in fact talking about DER-signed.

I believe it will get in the way of COSE-based cnf-PKI.

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Michael Richardson <[email protected]>, Sandelman Software Works
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