Many thanks Elwyn. Regards, Len Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Elwyn Soutter<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2017 7:58 PM To: Len Swindley<mailto:[email protected]>; MPGish inQB.<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Follow up to 'How do I access these records, please?' Adding to what Len has said, PRONI holds microfilm copies of Kildress Church of Ireland records. The originals are held by the Rector of the parish, in Kildress. They are open to inspection there but there is normally a fee. Last time I checked the standard Church of Ireland fee was £12 (sterling) an hour. (Make an appointment. Do not turn up unannounced as so many unfortunately do). You can also write to the Rector and ask if he/she will look records up for you. The Rector doesn’t have to do that but if he/she agrees to it (as they might for a simple request) then the fee is £19 an hour. Many Ministers and Priests in Ireland are inundated with genealogical requests. Not all have the resources to deal with them and there may be a long wait if you write to them. Sometimes they don’t reply at all. “My priority is my living parishioners, not the dead ones” being a standard explanation. PRONI charge something like £18 per 15 minutes for research requests. You can write and ask them if they will undertake a piece of work. If they agree to do it, they will send you a quote and you have to pay in advance. They will usually do simple requests eg obtaining a copy of a known baptism on a given date or month. What they normally won’t do is a trawling search, eg looking for a series of baptisms over a number of years without specific dates. You need a researcher for that as it can be very time consuming. Researchers in the PRONI area: http://sgni.net<http://sgni.net/> Some Church of Ireland and some Presbyterian records are on the pay to view/subscription sites like rootsireland. However they don’t appear to have Kildress Church of Ireland. PRONI hold a few very common types of records on-line. Examples are the Valuation Revision records, the names index, some (but not all) will calendars, the Ulster Covenant and so on. However the majority of their records are either on microfilm or paper format, so a personal visit is required to view them. LDS asked Irish Presbyterian churches for permission to copy their records. In contrast to the Church of Ireland whose records are covered by statutory legislation allowing public access (it was the state church and so they are state records), Presbyterian records belong to the individual congregation. LDS appears to have a practice of re-baptising all records they obtain, into the LDS faith. (Quite how you can baptise someone when they are dead is another matter, for another forum, but that’s what they reportedly do). Most Presbyterian congregations in Ireland found this offensive and consequently refused permission (though they have been happy to allow other reputable organisations to copy them). So that’s apparently why LDS don’t have Irish Presbyterian records. I don’t know what the position is with Church of Ireland records. Elwyn From: Len Swindley <[email protected]> To: MPGish inQB. <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2017, 8:18 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Follow up to 'How do I access these records, please?' Hello again Peggy; You are correct; the Kildress parish records (Church of Ireland), Co. Tyrone, were sent to PRONI, Belfast, for microfilming (this is the same for churches of almost all denominations and their congregations throughout Ulster); this is preferable for local clergy and parish secretaries who are easily overwhelmed with genealogical enquiries from North America. Genealogical research is not their role. There are no indexes to the expansive Kildress records (and none online at no cost) and to request the staff at PRONI to undertake a complete search would come at a prohibitive cost. Upon request, they will provide a list of accredited researchers who regularly extract data from records for you to contact. . Church of Ireland (and also Presbyterian) records have not been made available to the LDS (PRONI only). For the interest of listers, the PRONI microfilmed Kildress records held in Belfast are: Baptisms 1794-1920 Marriages 1794-1923 Burials 1828-1894 Vestry minutes 1709-1806 Tithes due 1737 Hope this clarifies matters and assists, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: MPGish inQB.<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 24 June 2017 2:59 PM To: Len Swindley<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Follow up to 'How do I access these records, please?' Hi and thank you everyone who has commented. I'm still somewhat confused! Len, am I correct in understanding the only way to see these Church of Ireland records is to visit PRONI in person? Does PRONI have an on-line index where I can check if there are any records for my ancestors? ( or can I hire someone to go there and search? Does anyone know what it costs to have someone do this or does PRONI offer such a service?) Does any company offer theseCh. of I. records on-line by subscription etc., or can I order them in microfilm via the LDS sites? Thank you! Peggy Vancouver Island, BC, Canada (Grandaughter of a Medical Dr. who was born at Unagh near Cookstown and came to Canada 1911.) Thank you, Peggy in Canada [email protected] (NOT.com) _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist
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