Hello again Rick, There are no records of passenger movements between Scotland and Ulster; there was no need as both belonged within a single country – the United Kingdom. Similar to a person travelling between NYC and Long Island.
Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: CoTyroneList <cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com> on behalf of Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:47:55 AM To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: Rick Smoll Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thank you all again for your help on this. One more question: are there any sort of emigration records on the Scotland side to search? I don't guess there were anything like passage records for such a short boat ride. Rick Smoll, AIC Claims Adjuster Corpus Christi, TX Mobile - (512) 619-3860 Fax - (512) 592-7966 -----Original Message----- From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: elwyn soutter <elwynsout...@googlemail.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:33 am Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of England.” We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep records.. I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t arrived in Kilskeery by 1630. Elwyn On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt phonetically in the past. The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of James II great numbers of new settlers arrived. My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish Regards, Len Swindley Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rick Smoll <rsmoll...@aim.com<mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks Len I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date? Thanks again Rick Smoll -----Original Message----- From: Len Swindley <len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: rsmoll999 <rsmoll...@aim.com<mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered in the Town of Strabane: Robert MORISON (sic) David MORRISON Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical Foundation) Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh? Hope this clarifies things, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: CoTyroneList <cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:boun...@cotyroneireland.com>> on behalf of rsmoll999 via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 4:39:09 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: rsmoll999 Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Thanks for your response and information! Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... only about 6 more to go! Thanks again! Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7. -------- Original message -------- From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List" <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> Cc: elwyn soutter <elwynsout...@googlemail.com<mailto:elwynsout...@googlemail.com>> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery) Rick, There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came from. But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them. However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins. Elwyn On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> wrote: Hello All, I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison (for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know when. Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)? Thanks! 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