Wonderfully written Ron. 

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To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com 
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 6:50:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Observations on the Inhabitants of Clogher 
Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1833-5 



Hi Len and all 

Thank you Len for sharing this with all of us. I read this and many other 
pieces of history. I notice the trend through out of the lack of mention of 
positive attributes of the common people. Empathy for another human being is 
completely devoid in these reports. The time period scribes never seems to 
mention how hard working these people are, how close knit the families be, the 
way communities work together or the weight of unfair and unjust economic 
burdens they struggle under and still survive and more they insist on thriving 
in the face of great adversity. I think these Ordinances are important pieces 
of history not as much about what they report or say on the surface to us but 
because they tell us a lot about the writer and the class structure he dwells 
in. It seems important to him to paint a portrait of the Irish working class 
people at a level of sub human strata (you may see pigs and fowls eating in the 
kitchen and everything is dirty ). The considerable hardships people are forced 
to live in are justified because of their moral depravity, "49th: It is 
believed that there is at least an improvement in the morals and cleanliness of 
children attending Sunday Schools". This article to me paints a picture of a 
people who are brave in the face of over whelming poverty, and unjust taxation 
without representation overseen by absentee land lords. It speaks to me of a 
devotion to preserve the family and traditions at all costs. As people who are 
forced to struggle, their hope lies in their children and their children's, 
children, in other words "us". They would not allow themselves to quit, be 
broken, or trodden under, despite the written word, legal system and their 
betters opinion. They refused to think of themselves as less then any mans 
equal. They put all their hopes in the generations to come, they sacrificed 
everything to bring "us" into a safer , a better place... may we not let them 
down, may we never forget who they were and what they sacrificed for ,"us", for 
,"me". What they did was not easy and it was not pretty but they did it, a 
better world for us, those like us, those like them and those still to come. 
May we be able to say the same.... Thank you Len for bringing these pieces of 
history to us. 

Cheers 

Ron McCoy 

On 2018-10-25 10:20 PM, Gail Mooney via CoTyroneList wrote: 



Thanks Len - Even knowing the history of those hard times, this piece paints a 
pretty grim picture of the environments our people endured as they struggled to 
survive. I imagine depression was common in the population - reminds me to be 
more grateful for my lucky circumstances. 
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From: "Len Swindley via CoTyroneList" <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> 
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 7:02:19 PM 
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Observations on the Inhabitants of Clogher 
Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1833-5 



Hello Listers; 



There has been recent interest expressed in the lives of our Tyrone forbears 
(thanks to Elwyn) and here is an extract from the Ordnance Survey Memoirs of 
the 1820s-30s that offers some observations on living conditions in Clogher 
parish. Having read through many of the memoirs covering the parishes of Co. 
Tyrone, this report could be applied similarly to all parishes. 



Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia 





EXTRACTED FROM ORDNANCE MEMOIRS OF IRELAND: PARISHES OF COUNTY TYRONE VOL. 1 
(INSTITUTE OF IRISH STUDIES, QUEEN’S UNIVERSITY OF BELFAST) (1990) 

STATISTICAL MEMOIR BY LIEUTENANT R. STOTHERD 

ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS: 

THE HABITS OF THE PEOPLE 

42nd: There is very little order, cleanliness, or neatness in general to be 
found either in the houses or of the more wealthy farmers or in the cottages of 
the poor. The turf stack often approaches within a few yards of the door and 
thus intersects the view and stops the currency of the air. The yard in front 
of the house is full of the odour of the cow house and stable, for they are 
often built in the very front and sometime adjoining the dwellinghouse. The 
lanes and approaches to the house are narrow, rough and filthy in the extreme. 
Within no order is visible; you may see pigs and fowls eating in the kitchen 
and everything is dirty and confused, the furniture a few pots and noggins, a 
stool or a broken chair. The potatoes at meals are thrown out in a basket and 
so laid on the table or on a stool, and the whole family gather round, master, 
mistress, children and servants in a mass, and eat out of the basket without 
knife, fork or any appendage at meals. A man who can give his daughter in 
marriage 50 or 100 pounds will live in this manner. But this is not universally 
the case: sometimes everything is seen comfortable, neat and clean, both within 
and without the farmhouse, the furniture good and decent, the kitchen neatly 
tiled, the outside of the house well whitewashed and thatched, the yard and 
lanes about the house in good repair and clean. It is, however, to be regretted 
that very few instances occur where this order and decency is observed. 



FOOD 

44th: Potatoes and milk is the general food of the farmers of this barony, for 
breakfast, dinner and supper during 9 months of the year. This is sometimes 
varied by a bit of bacon for dinner, sometimes butter and oaten bread or eggs 
are added to the potatoes for dinner. In 3 of the summer months when potatoes 
begin to fail, stirabout or flummery is substituted for potatoes, for breakfast 
or supper. 

45th: The same report will serve for the manufacturing class and tradespeople. 

46th: Potatoes and milk, or when milk grows scarce potatoes or herrings, or 
potatoes and salt is almost the only food of the poor inhabitants during the 
entire year. Occasionally a little stirabout is added for supper or breakfast 
in the summer months. 



EDUCATION 

47th: There is certainly a general desire of instruction in all classes of the 
people, both Protestants and Roman Catholics. The poor are anxious to teach 
their children reading, writing and arithmetic, and although the facilities for 
the education of the Roman Catholics is not so great as for the Protestants, 
being hindered by their priests from attending Sunday and other schools, yet 
there is certainly a desire in the minds even of the Roman Catholics for the 
education of their children. 

48th: The children of the poor pay for their education according to the 
following rates: for spelling and reading, for writing for arithmetic, for 
book-keeping [blank] 

49th: It is believed that there is at least an improvement in the morals and 
cleanliness of children attending Sunday Schools. They are not permitted to 
attend unless they are clean and they are expelled if any gross immorality be 
committed. It is also hoped that there is in the inhabitants in general, a 
greater respect for the laws, fewer quarrels and less fighting than formerly 





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