Hi - I have family called Meenagh or variants in Termonmaguirek/Carrickmore - (Ellen who married n the 1830s or a little earlier who married a Hagan (& variants) before 1835. Linley
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 19:14, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList < cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote: > You won’t get a birth certificate for Michael Meehan because his birth was > long before the start of statutory birth certificates in Ireland (1864). > Prior to 1864 we generally rely on church records but in this case if he > was born near Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish) in 1831, their baptisms > don’t start till 1834, so there won’t be a baptism record to find. So you > probably won’t find any documentary record of his birth or baptism. > > Family in 1901 census: > > > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/ > > I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873, James on 8.6.1878 and daughter > Alice on 17.9.1867 (where mother’s maiden name is recorded as Morrow). Mary > Meenan’s death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900 aged 50. > > You can view the above certificates free on the irishgenealogy site > https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie save for John’s in 1873 which > appears in the indexes but isn’t on the website. In that case you best bet > is probably to view it on the GRONI website. They do appear to hold a copy > there. > > I searched for the 3rd son’s birth but did not find it. Could it have > been pre 1864 Ie before statutory registration)? In which case you would > need to rely on church records. The Carrickmore parish records for 1834 to > 1857 are on-line on the nli site but the records for 1858 onwards are not. > So if the marriage and the birth of the first son fell in the period 1858 > to 1863, then the church has the only copy. > > Note that in both the 1901 census and the various statutory records I have > referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenan not Meehan. > > Michael Meenan’s farm is listed in Griffiths Valuation for 1860. It was > plot 18a in Griffiths and was a 29 acre farm. That property today is near > the junction of the Termon and Coolbrack roads, outside Pomeroy. > > Griffith's Valuation > <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch> > > Griffith's Valuation > > <http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch> > > > > I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael > married the girl next door. > > I am sorry that the person responsible for the church records was not as > helpful as they might have been. Churches here do get a lot of genealogical > requests and, in my personal experience, there have been several > unfortunate incidents involving people defacing entries and ripping pages > out of registers for whatever reason. Since these are the original records > some custodians are understandably cautious about others handling them. > > It’s probably also worth trying to manage your expectations here. I think > some people expect churches to hold lots of detailed records on their > congregations. They usually don’t. The birth and marriage records are often > all they have (for the 1800s anyway). Few RC churches kept burial records, > and there was rarely a written record for graveyards of where people were > buried. (The gravediggers and most of the population were largely > illiterate. Written records were no use to them). The information on where > families were buried was kept in people’s heads, but obviously was lost > when they died or moved away. > > > > Elwyn > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Carrie Mahan via CoTyroneList <cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> > *To:* cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com > *Cc:* Carrie Mahan <ccmaha...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 February 2019, 1:42 > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: *Carrie Mahan* <ccmaha...@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 8:03 AM > Subject: Meehan family information > To: <countytyronel...@countytyrone.com> > > > Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family. Attended > church at carrickmore, born 1831, died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record > keeper there, who was less than forthcoming about giving out other > records. Hope you will have other information. These are the Meehans of > tremoge. Michael was married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a > daughter. Michael died in 1903. Looking for original marriage records, > birth certificates, death certificates, and more information about > Margaret morris. I only have information from Ancestry. Anything else would > be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie Mahan > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com > Change Your Preferences: > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com > Change Your Preferences: > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com -- *Linley*
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