Tunji, You ask what type of information is in the Bishopric Estate records. If you owned a property today and rented it out, what records would you keep? A brief description of the property, length of the lease (plus perhaps any special conditions), the rent, details of any arrears and the name of the tenant. Something like that perhaps? It was exactly the same in 1650 or 1750 or 1850. So that’s roughly what you will find in those records.
It’s important to remember too that these documents mostly list the farmers or townspeople who rented directly from the landowner. Many of our ancestors were labourers or weavers or servants who didn’t rent directly from the landowner. They rented from local farmers or other middlemen. Many didn’t have a lease at all. They were “at will” tenants who were free to leave without notice (or who could be evicted without notice too). There were rarely paper tenancy records for them. So it’s important to have some idea of what your ancestors did in Ireland, to know how likely they are to appear in estate records. In terms of finding your ancestors, if you know where your ancestor lived, the estate records can be helpful because they not only confirm the family’s presence but also tell you who was head of household and roughly when that changed. But what they are not is a comprehensive list of all Lees living in the area. Elwyn On 05/02/2020, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Tunji & Marion, > > I have no plans of travelling to Belfast and PRONI (have had six research > forays previously) in the short-term. To be successful in your search, it is > vital to ascertain the name of the native parish of your emigrant forebear. > Referring to > the search function at CTI (in excess of 300,000 records) > [cid:[email protected]] > there are no Lee/ Lees/ Lays recorded in north or mid Tyrone parishes which > fall within the Diocese of Derry; there are records in parishes in the south > and east of the county, but those parishes fall within the dioceses of > Clogher and Armagh. I recommend you search in that part of the county unless > you have further information. > > All the best, > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows > 10 > > > From: CoTyroneList <[email protected]> on behalf of > Marion via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 4:27:10 AM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> > Cc: Marion <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records > > Hello Tunji > Unfortunately I ran out of time on my last visit to Ireland and didn’t make > it to Proni. I am still interested in any information about the tenants of > the diocese of Derry in the parish of Urney if anyone should come across > anything. Sorry I can’t be of more help. > Regards Marion > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Tunji Lees via CoTyroneList > Sent: 04 February 2020 11:48 > To: [email protected] > Cc: Tunji Lees > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records > > Dear Marion and Len, > > Did any of you had the chance to look at any of the Derry Bishopric > Estate records at PRONI in the end? I would be interested to know what > kind of information these might contain and whether they would be > useful in trying to trace Lee/Lees ancestors who lived on Church > lands. > > Kind regards, > > Tunji Lees > > ---------- > > Hello Marion, > > I cannot recall sending you the Bishopric of Derry Estate details, but > I guess I did. The data would have been extracted from William > Roulston’s essential research tool RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS > 1600-1800 (2edn edn.,2018) Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast. > > Pre 1800 rentals and leases and call numbers are: > Derry Bishopric Estate, all parishes in the diocese of Derry > Rentals 1617, 1688, 1708, 1719 - D/683/31, 275, 278, 287 > Leases of the see of Derry c. 1696 - D/683/240 > Lease rents of the see of Derry 1718 D683/286 > Rental of lands belonging to the bishopric to be let in Clonleigh > parish 1790 - D2798/3/59 > > Hope this works for you, > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Marion via CoTyroneList > Sent: Friday, 5 April 2019 11:29 PM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > Cc: Marion > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records > > > Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular, > Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was > very helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and > the details of what they included. I have been planning my next trip > to Proni and searching the e catalogue for reference numbers for these > records but I have been unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else, > tell me what I am doing wrong and how I can find this information. > Regards Marion Shephard > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/pipermail/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com/attachments/20190406/c6f974f9/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > _______________________________________________ CoTyroneList Mailing List Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] Change Your Preferences: http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY
