Dear Len & Marion, Thank you for your replies! The only direct paper evidence I have of a location in Ireland for my Lees family is a Scottish record where Elizabeth Lees (daughter of my ancestor Oliver Lees) is listed as being born in County Tyrone around 1821. As you say Len, all Lees in County Tyrone seem to be focused around the East of the County so it seems likely she was born there. I found an Oliver Lees who was witness to a 1845 marriage between a William Ledlie and a Mary Lays or Lees, daughter of Robert Lays/Lees in Drummullen, Arboe, Cookstown on the Tyrone/Londonderry border, though I have no way of knowing if this is my guy. My Oliver was definitely living in Scotland in the 1840s and died there in 1847, so I don't know how realistic it would be for someone to travel from Edinburgh to County Tyrone for a wedding in those days? Bill Macafee mentions an Estate of John Lee and another. 13 June 1862, 1862, Leasehold interests in Drummullan [Drummullen]. Arboe, Loughinsholin, T/877/598 which will be my next step to explore.
Regarding the Derry Bishopric Estate, not sure if this is fully in the scope of this Co. Tyrone mailing list, but what I am interested in are the estate records for Tamlaght O'Crilly in County Londonderry as there is an Oliver Lees in Tamlaght O'Crilly recorded in the Grand Lodge of Ireland Masonry records in 1816 who was also recorded as being witness to a riot at Tamlaght O'Crilly Parish Church in a transcript of Magherafelt Sessions published in the Anti-Jacobin Review. This may be my ancestor. My Oliver emigrated to Scotland in the 1820s and I have a Y-DNA match with a Lees family who lived in Ahoghill parish, Co. Antrim which bordered with Tamlaght O'Crilly. Tithe applotment records and circumstantial evidence such as naming patterns, and the rare nature of the name Lees/Lee in the area also seem to point towards the Ahoghill family being related to one of the David Lees families living on the church lands of Tamlaght O'Crilly; one in Killymuck townland, the other in Gortmacrane townland in the 1820s-30s. There don't seem to be any surviving rental records. I've tried to trace some deeds for the lands but haven't had much luck pre-1847. According to each source I've found, a number of Reverends held the Killymuck lands from the See of Derry at different times. William Roulson lists some early Derry Bishopric Estate records so I guess I should start from there. Cheers, Tunji Lees On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:25 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Tunji & Marion, > > > > I have no plans of travelling to Belfast and PRONI (have had six research > forays previously) in the short-term. To be successful in your search, it > is vital to ascertain the name of the native parish of your emigrant > forebear. Referring to > > the search function at CTI (in excess of 300,000 records) > > there are no Lee/ Lees/ Lays recorded in north or mid Tyrone parishes > which fall within the Diocese of Derry; there are records in parishes in > the south and east of the county, but those parishes fall within the > dioceses of Clogher and Armagh. I recommend you search in that part of the > county unless you have further information. > > > > All the best, > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From:* CoTyroneList <[email protected]> on behalf > of Marion via CoTyroneList <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 4:27:10 AM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Cc:* Marion <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records > > > > Hello Tunji > Unfortunately I ran out of time on my last visit to Ireland and didn’t > make it to Proni. I am still interested in any information about the > tenants of the diocese of Derry in the parish of Urney if anyone should > come across anything. Sorry I can’t be of more help. > Regards Marion > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Tunji Lees via CoTyroneList > Sent: 04 February 2020 11:48 > To: [email protected] > Cc: Tunji Lees > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records > > Dear Marion and Len, > > Did any of you had the chance to look at any of the Derry Bishopric > Estate records at PRONI in the end? I would be interested to know what > kind of information these might contain and whether they would be > useful in trying to trace Lee/Lees ancestors who lived on Church > lands. > > Kind regards, > > Tunji Lees > > ---------- > > Hello Marion, > > I cannot recall sending you the Bishopric of Derry Estate details, but > I guess I did. The data would have been extracted from William > Roulston’s essential research tool RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS > 1600-1800 (2edn edn.,2018) Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast. > > Pre 1800 rentals and leases and call numbers are: > Derry Bishopric Estate, all parishes in the diocese of Derry > Rentals 1617, 1688, 1708, 1719 - D/683/31, 275, 278, 287 > Leases of the see of Derry c. 1696 - D/683/240 > Lease rents of the see of Derry 1718 D683/286 > Rental of lands belonging to the bishopric to be let in Clonleigh > parish 1790 - D2798/3/59 > > Hope this works for you, > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Marion via CoTyroneList > Sent: Friday, 5 April 2019 11:29 PM > To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List > Cc: Marion > Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records > > > Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular, > Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was > very helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and > the details of what they included. I have been planning my next trip > to Proni and searching the e catalogue for reference numbers for these > records but I have been unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else, > tell me what I am doing wrong and how I can find this information. > Regards Marion Shephard > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/pipermail/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com/attachments/20190406/c6f974f9/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY > > _______________________________________________ > CoTyroneList Mailing List > Mailing List Email Address: [email protected] > Change Your Preferences: > http://cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/cotyronelist_cotyroneireland.com > Mailing List Archive: https://goo.gl/mQCKrY >
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