Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures! Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend the church service! Bless you! We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take photos at both churches. I will take photos of any records inside. I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $ for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to.
When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the thumb drive. Would that be useful? Thanks for ALLLLL your help! Best, Valerie On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello again Valerie, > > Your excitement is palpable. > > The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones > indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time > (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this , > it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard > attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near > Castlefinn). > > Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply > marked their graves with a field stone. > > Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. > If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most > useful, also photos of old headstones. > > Enjoy your trip and regards, > Len Swindley > ------------------------------ > *From:* Valerie Stewart <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM > *To:* Len Swindley <[email protected]> > *Cc:* elwyn soutter <[email protected]>; CoTyroneIreland.com > Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port > of Derry > > Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are? > THANK YOU!🌹 > > I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at > the Service on 1 Sept. > Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the > church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my > family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them > with you all. > > I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. > The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry > Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by > Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to > know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words: > To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made > us possible informs our own life. > > You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James. > Valerie > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello All, > > The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for > his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed > response, but work and life have been a priority. > > Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and > the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there > are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out > or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line? > > www.cotyroneireland.com > > and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish > > www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html > > DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815 > > www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html > > DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826 > > www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html > > DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES > and JOHN > > www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html > > Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been > delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data. > > Continued success, > > Len Swindley > > *Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin*, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore* Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore* Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html> > > *Carnone* Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html> > > *Carnone Presbyterian* Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend > Payers 1867 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html> > > *Carnone Presbyterian* Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend > Payers 1883 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html> > > *Donoughmore* Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore > Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html> > > *Donoughmore*, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners > 1620-1700 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html> > > *Donoughmore* Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore > Parish, Marriages 1820-99 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore *Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near > Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore *Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html> > > Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), > *Donaghmore* Parish, Co. Donegal 1796 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html> > > Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of *Raphoe* 1829-31 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html> > > Index to Tithe Applotment Book,*Donaghmore Parish* 1815 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html> > > Index to Tithe Applotment Book, *Donaghmore Parish *1826 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html> > > Public Examination at *Castlefin* School, Donaghmore Parish 1822 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html> > > *STEVENSON* Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html> > > ------------------------------ > *From:* elwyn soutter <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2022 7:53 PM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* Len Swindley <[email protected]>; Valerie Stewart < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port > of Derry > > > Valerie, > > > > You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry > senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available > work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than > Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change > lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same > forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers > and labourers generally harder to trace. > > > > You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as > Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched > Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households > listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There > was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the > townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s > farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably > no connection. > > > > The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have > survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen > in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for > other Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your > Flood family in Irish records. > > > > As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just > turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door > when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish. > > > > https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm > > > > > > > > Elwyn > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Len, > I think you may have found something here. > > Henry Allen* is* the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most > likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on > 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records). > From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that > the family went to Philadelphia. > So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him. > Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the > passengers? > Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they > married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating? > > I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more > knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any > suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- > I would be very grateful. > > (I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - > Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and *you *had > found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah. > > *The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:* > > * Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of > Baptisms* > > * Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara* > > * Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* > > * Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* > > * No record of a baptism of Henry James* > Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached) > > Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's > father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his > name/location? Might that be useful? > > I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian > Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but > it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply. > > Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise > and knowledge. > Valerie > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Valerie, > > Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts > via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post. > > I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian > Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 > emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping > companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St > John & New Orleans. > > There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and > Convoy which may be connected to your family: > > “Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847 > > UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin > > “Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850 > > ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy > > “Superior” to Philadelphia 1851 > > HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin > > Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible > they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there. > > There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s. > > Hope this helps, > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > ================================= > >
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