James et al - I'd like to point out that sharing photos or data on CoTyroneIreland.com is NOT using a "Closed Group"!!
The Mailling List is a closed to members only; HOWEVER, CoTyroneIreland.com is, and always has been, a fully public, completely FREE website. While we are not against posting information our users obtain on other websites, we do take GREAT umbrance with the suggestion our users should post to other websites and not to CoTyroneIreland.com Therefore, we live in hope that any photos taken will be shared through CTI for everyone's benefit as we have a large quantity of data on Carnone already. Thank you for your cooperation. Jim Jim McKane Kitchener, Ontario On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 8:24 PM James Huey via CoTyroneList < [email protected]> wrote: > Could I suggest that when taking photos of headstones in cemeteries and > churchyards, that people use either or both of the the “Billion Graves” > app or the “FindaGrave” app (both available for all smart phones). The > apps geo-locate the location and make the photos available for everyone to > see, not just a closed group. Transcriptions and other notes can be added, > if required. They each have their “useability” good and bad points, but > both are helpful. > > As a user, I have found many relatives’ headstones using these apps. > > > > James > > > > *From:* Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 31 August 2022 7:21 AM > *To:* Len Swindley <[email protected]> > *Cc:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List < > [email protected]>; Valerie Stewart < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port of > Derry > > > > Thank YOU for the list of things to do, pictures! > > Now my husband has something to do while daughter Katherine and I attend > the church service! Bless you! > > We are staying at a BnB in Castlefin, so he can drop us off and take > photos at both churches. > > I will take photos of any records inside. > > I entirely understand about marking graves, my paternal great great > grandfather died in 1932 during "The Great Depression" here, there was no $ > for a separate stone, or even to put his name on the headstone for his > wife, Katherine, whom he was buried next to. > > > > When we get back I could load the photos on a thumb drive and mail you the > thumb drive. Would that be useful? > > Thanks for ALLLLL your help! > > Best, > > Valerie > > > > On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello again Valerie, > > > > Your excitement is palpable. > > > > The graveyard attached to Carnone church contains no pre1880 headstones > indicating that the congregation gained its own graveyard about this time > (a similar situation for Donoughmore Presbyterian Church). Prior to this , > it was customary for Presbyterians to be buried in the parish graveyard > attached to Donaghmore Parish Church (St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near > Castlefinn). > > > > Comparatively few families could to afford to erect a headstone and simply > marked their graves with a field stone. > > > > Thank you for considering to takes photos of interesting records for CTI. > If any nineteenth century communion rolls have survived, they would be most > useful, also photos of old headstones. > > > > Enjoy your trip and regards, > > Len Swindley > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Valerie Stewart <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, 27 August 2022 1:40 AM > *To:* Len Swindley <[email protected]> > *Cc:* elwyn soutter <[email protected]>; CoTyroneIreland.com > Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port > of Derry > > > > Do you have any idea how AMAZING you are? > > THANK YOU!🌹 > > > > I have written to the minister at the Carnone church and he expects us at > the Service on 1 Sept. > > Rev. McKibbin has authorized one of the members (who holds the key to the > church records) to let me see what they have for the time period for my > family. I will take photos of everything I see and of course share them > with you all. > > > > I am taking flowers, just in case Barbara Stevenson Allen is buried there. > The only record of her name is in the marriage report from the Londonderry > Sentinel, perhaps she had another given name and just prefered to go by > Barbara ? Whatever the mystery is, you gentlemen have made it possible to > know about her. on my sister Terri's headstone are engraved these words: > To live in hearts you leave behind, is not to die" knowing about who made > us possible informs our own life. > > > > You are so kind and generous - thank you Len and Elwyn and James. > > Valerie > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:19 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello All, > > The search for Valerie’s forebears continues and many thanks to Elwyn for > his continued great input and valuable insights. Apologies for the delayed > response, but work and life have been a priority. > > Interestingly, TWO Tithe Applotment Books survive for Donaghmore Parish and > the indexes will only be found on CTI and no other website, but there > are no recordings for any Floods perhaps indicating that they had died out > or emigrated and Catherine was the last of the line? > > www.cotyroneireland.com > > and go to the Donegal menu and Donaghmore Parish > > www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/donaghmore.html > > DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (partial) 1815 > > www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html > > DONAGHMORE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK (complete) 1826 > > www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html > > DONAGHMORE FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 contain the names of two Floods – JAMES > and JOHN > > www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html > > Donaghmore is one of the better-covered parishes on CTI and I have been > delighted to submit the following files which contain essential data. > > Continued success, > > Len Swindley > > *Donaghmore Parish & Castlefin*, Co. Donegal Birth Announcements 1842-70 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/births/donaghmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore* Parish & Castlefin, Co. Donegal Death Announcements 1764-1870 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/donaghmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore* Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html> > > *Carnone* Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish Marriages 1832-99 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/carnone.html> > > *Carnone Presbyterian* Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend > Payers 1867 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnonepresbyterian.html> > > *Carnone Presbyterian* Church, Donaghmore Parish: Pewholders & Stipend > Payers 1883 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/carnone.html> > > *Donoughmore* Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, Castlefin, Donaghmore > Parish: Pewholders & Stipend Payers 1867 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmorepresby.html> > > *Donoughmore*, Co. Donegal, Presbyterian Ruling Elders & Commissioners > 1620-1700 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore.html> > > *Donoughmore* Presbyterian Church, Liscooley, near Castlefin, Donaghmore > Parish, Marriages 1820-99 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donoughmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore *Parish Church, St. Patrick's Church of Ireland, near > Castlefinn, Marriages 1845-66 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore2.html> > > *Donaghmore *Parish, Co. Donegal, Marriage Announcements 1808-1870 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donaghmore3.html> > > Index to the Flaxgrowers Bounty List (Spinning Wheel Premiums), > *Donaghmore* Parish, Co. Donegal 1796 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/donaghmore.html> > > Applications to Register Freeholds in the Barony of *Raphoe* 1829-31 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/freeholders/raphoe.html> > > Index to Tithe Applotment Book,*Donaghmore Parish* 1815 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html> > > Index to Tithe Applotment Book, *Donaghmore Parish *1826 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html> > > Public Examination at *Castlefin* School, Donaghmore Parish 1822 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/schools/castlefin.html> > > *STEVENSON* Births & Marriages, Donaghmore Parish 1821-96 > <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/stevenson6.html> > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* elwyn soutter <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, 7 August 2022 7:53 PM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List < > [email protected]> > *Cc:* Len Swindley <[email protected]>; Valerie Stewart < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Re: Irish Emigration From the Port > of Derry > > > > Valerie, > > > > You comment about finding Henry Allen’s baptism in Raphoe parish. Henry > senior was a weaver. They did tend to move around to follow the available > work. I do note that the baptism was Church of Ireland, rather than > Presbyterian, which is mildly unusual, but not impossible. Folk did “change > lanes” from time to time. Or it might be another family with the same > forenames. But moving around was not unusual and it often makes weavers > and labourers generally harder to trace. > > > > You mention tracing Catherine Flood’s family. Her townland is given as > Carnone (Carnowen) and her father Patrick was a farmer. I searched > Griffiths Valuation (1857) for Carnowen and there are no Flood households > listed. Suggests the family had died out or left the area by 1857. There > was only one Flood in the whole parish in 1857. She was Mary Flood in the > townland of Trusk. She lived in a labourer’s cottage on Francis Devaney’s > farm. Trusk is some distance from Carnowen. Perhaps 15 miles, so probably > no connection. > > > > The tithe applotment records for Donaghmore parish don’t appear to have > survived so I can’t check to see if there was a Patrick Flood in Carnowen > in the 1820s. I searched the local marriage records 1845 – 1865 for other > Floods from Carnowen but without success. So not much sign of your Flood > family in Irish records. > > > > As far as attending Carnone Presbyterian church on 11th September, just > turn up. No invitation is required. The Minister should be at the door > when you leave and you can have a word with him/her then if you wish. > > > > https://www.fahanchurch.org/carnonepresbyterian.htm > > > > > > > > Elwyn > > > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 at 19:23, Valerie Stewart via CoTyroneList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Len, > > I think you may have found something here. > > > > Henry Allen* is* the name of my 2nd great grandfather. He would most > likely have immigrated in 1851 (as he and Catherine Flood only married on > 14 Nov. 1850- per the parish records). > > From the Allen Nebraska Centennial History book that I have, it says that > the family went to Philadelphia. > > So the entry for the "Superior" to Philadelphia might have been him. > > Was it common not to mention wife/children if they were part of the > passengers? > > Castlefin is very close to Carnone/Carnowen and it's possible, after they > married in November, they may have stayed there before immigrating? > > > > I have also copied Elwyn Soutter with this email, as you both are far more > knowledgeable about the records that are available. So, if you have any > suggestions for where I might look next, to try and nail down information- > I would be very grateful. > > > > (I have found no other information about the mother of Henry's children - > Barbara Stevenson, other than their 1836 marriage notice, and *you *had > found the baptism records of three of the children, William, Susan, Sarah. > > *The following entries were extracted from the Carnone Church records:* > > * Carnone Presbyterian Church, Donaghmore Parish, Register of > Baptisms* > > * Jan 8 1837: William son of Henry Allen & Barbara* > > * Feb 14 1844: Susan dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* > > * Sep 4 1846: Sarah dau of Henry Allen & Barbara* > > * No record of a baptism of Henry James* > > Henry'Jr.s baptism record is in Raphoe Parish for some reason (attached) > > > > Maybe I should try looking for records about Catherine Flood Allen's > father? Maybe as a farmer there might be a Townsland record with his > name/location? Might that be useful? > > > > I did try writing to the current minister at the Carnone Presybterian > Church to say I was wanting to attend the Sunday Service on 11 Sept. but > it may have gone into his spam folder, as I've had no reply. > > > > Once again, I thank you both for your generous sharing of your expertise > and knowledge. > > Valerie > > > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 4:11 AM Len Swindley <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello Valerie, > > Apologies for commencing a new thread but I have not been receiving posts > via my Hotmail account and unable to respond to your post. > > I have referred to “Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871” edited by Brian > Mitchell which contains the names and addresses of in excess of 27,000 > emigrants to the U.S. and Canada carried by the two Derry shipping > companies J & J Cooke Line and McCorkell Line to Philadelphia, Quebec, St > John & New Orleans. > > There are three records for Allens from Castlefin (Donaghmore parish) and > Convoy which may be connected to your family: > > “Alleghaney” to Philadelphia 1847 > > UNITY ALLEN of Castlefin > > “Lumley” to Philadelphia 1850 > > ANDREW ALLEN of Convoy > > “Superior” to Philadelphia 1851 > > HENRY ALLEN of Castlefin > > Sadly, there appears to be no record of your forebears and it is possible > they made their way to Glasgow (Greenock) and sailed from there. > > There was no systematic record of emigrants from Ireland until the 1890s. > > Hope this helps, > > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > ================================= > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - > [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > ================================= >
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