Hi Verity,c My wife has a similar problem with allegiance. Her ancestors were pioneer settlers of Christchurch yet she is Australian born. She loves cricket and rugby (union), so avoids watching matches when our 2 countries compete.
The case of pioneers landing with all the trapings of civilization, only to be confronted with a wild and undeveloped country, is in part a theme featured in the film "The piano" when this prised instrument was dumped on the wet sands of Petone beach, there being no wharf facilities at Wellington back then. On Thu, 12 Dec 2024, 9:30 pm Verity Morris via CoTyroneList, < [email protected]> wrote: > Glad I triggered the old NZ/Aussie rivalry for you Chris! > > One interesting snippet is that as the pioneers to NZ had a few more > pennies when they emigrated, they often took precious household pieces with > them. When they found the living conditions were more basic than expected, > they wrapped up their china etc and stored it safely away.. According to an > antique dealer I knew, that’s why you can get some great antiques in NZ! > > Actually I’m a hybrid…I have (yes, unbelievably!) birth certificates from > both countries. Growing up in NZ and now living in Australia, I love them > both…well maybe NZ a touch more. > > Cheers back from your side of the dutch (kiwi for ditch) > Verity > > > > On 11 Dec 2024, at 9:52 PM, Chris Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Ahh yes our Kiwis! > > Verity your little dig at the convicts made me snort into my cuppa! > > Didn’t know they demanded literacy for your lot, but that meant you didn’t > get the ones who were used to the REALLY hard work! > > And might I add Ms Cheeky Kiwi, convict descendants now consider > themselves genealogical royalty in Australia. See what you missed out on > over the ditch? Not that I’m in the royalty ranks! My lot were just > sometimes illiterate farmers but they were pioneers all the same. > > And yes one of my great uncles travelled across that ditch for the gold > rush and vowed he would never cross it again. So we’ve got some real Kiwi > Cousins now! We’re all in it together! > > Cheers and waving across that ditch > Chris Owen > > On 11 Dec 2024, at 10:00, Verity Morris via CoTyroneList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > And don’t forget about New Zealand, where some of my Ulster Irish ended > up! In the early 1840’s they were mainly traders, whalers, sealers and ex > soldiers, then like my Henrys, skipped over from Australia to follow the > gold, set up hotels and make the most of the coaching business. Free > passage was initially only offered to the literate, so numbers were small > as passage was expensive. And of course New Zealand didn’t take this > undesirable convicts! > Cheers > Verity > > > On 9 Dec 2024, at 9:09 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi folks, contrary to popular belief, not all Irish emigrants were > destined to North America - the Australian colonies offered free passages > from the late 1830s and it is possible that emigrant siblings could be > found in both North America and Australia > Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia > > ------------------------------ > *From:* James McKane <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, 8 December 2024 9:14 PM > *To:* CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* New Content - Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died > Queensland, Australia 1864-1948 > > Born County Donegal, Ireland, Married & Died Queensland, Australia > 1864-1948 <https://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/queensland.html> > > Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI! > > Jim McKane > Kitchener, Ontario > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > ================================= > > > ================================= > Send a Message to the List - [email protected] > List Archive - > https://list.cotyroneireland.com/empathy/list/cotyronelist.list.cotyroneireland.com > Join the list by sending an email to - > [email protected] > To receive the Digest version, send an email to - [email protected] > Unsubscribe by sending an email to - > [email protected] > =================================
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