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"The only real difference between the C and the CD is the stainless steel skin above the header tank." Syd you are right. What I meant was that one could easily convert a C/D to a D if desired. The moodel and the Type certificate did allow so. It also is mentioned in the Ercoupe Information letter #1 from 1956!?. http://www.ercoupers.com/service/convert.html However I think ERCO realized they could not market the 415-D as they thought so they came up with the C/D which was initially registered under TC 718 with the potential to be brought up higher in Gross weight. Hartmut Sydney Cohen wrote: > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > > Hartmut, the CD's have a gross weight of 1260 lbs, just like the C's. > The only real difference between the C and the CD is the stainless > steel skin above the header tank. > > Syd Cohen > > > Hartmut wrote: > >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before >> following any advice in this forum.]---- >> >> >> I also heard that after the C/D was introduced ERCO converted >> Ercoupes with lower serial# , they had >> not sold so far to be C/D s. >> >> So was N3330H, serial number 3995 (re)born as a C/D. >> The idea was simple. The C/D model gave the OPTION to convert it >> easily to a 415-D when the owner had >> the desire to do so. >> ERCO found the Model C safer to fly and did not wanted to get >> involved into any legal issues I guess. >> After all, they already advised the sales personal not to over >> demonstrate the Coupes. >> >> Since the new type certificate had been issued already , they could >> market the Coupe with 1400 ## but >> It was hard to land in this configuration and maybe even hard to >> take off on a short field. >> >> So selling C/D's was putting the liability onto the user by keeping >> the selling point of the 14000 >> gross. >> Extending this C/D model to all planes left on the factory seems to >> be a no brainer. They just changes >> the stainless steel covering of the header tank and voila another, >> hopefully better selling C/D was >> born. This happened all beginning 1947 to my knowledge.. >> >> Hartmut >> >> Richard Wilkens wrote: >> >> >> > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before >> > following any advice in this forum.]---- >> > >> > Jack, >> > >> > I believe that the factory 415D had 76 serial numbers set aside for >> > it >> > (4425-4500). I have only been able to find one factory D (N3810H >> > cn. >> > 4435). I find this strange because I have located some information >> > on 75% >> > of all serial numbers available. I know people are going to >> > scream, but >> > don't put your faith in any published numbers as to the number of >> > Coupes >> > built, let alone the number of any one type. From the serial >> > numbers I >> > have and a few production dates, I believe the 415C gave way to a >> > few 415Ds >> > (maybe only one or two) which where followed by the 415CD. The >> > 415CD is >> > almost a 415D without the D's evaluator restrictions and its gross >> > weight >> > and some CDs may have been 415Ds that were converted at the >> > factory. >> > >> > To get me in more trouble, ERCO must have thought the 415D was not >> > worth >> > producing or they would not have gone to the CD which is closer to >> > a 415C >> > than it is to a 415D. By dropping the D, they lost the added gross >> > weight >> > limits which would have been a great selling point for its product >> > considering the company was in trouble. People must want the >> > higher gross >> > weight because they are still converting Cs and CDs to Ds. >> > >> > Richard. >> > N99904 >> > >> > PS. Let the flames roll in! We haven't had a good one this list >> > in months. >> > >> > At 12:04 PM 12/17/2002 -0700, Jack Gocha wrote: >> > >> >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before >> >> following any >> >> advice in this forum.]---- >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Gang >> >> Every so often people in our group refer to 415 CD Ercoupes. Erco >> >> did at >> >> the beginning of the third quarter of 1947, when they were >> >> changing from >> >> the 415 C to the 415 D, sell 368 415 CD"s, following that they >> >> started >> >> producing 415 D models. >> >> When I first bought my 415 D, I too referred to it as a 415 CD >> >> since it >> >> had been converted. However after reading " The Ercoupe a Touch >> >> of Class" >> >> by Saletri, page 169, I discovered that when a 415 C is converted >> >> to a 415 >> >> D it then became a 415 D and the only real 415 CD's were actually >> >> made as >> >> CD's by Erco in late 1947. >> >> Sorry for butting in but this may answer a few questions as to >> >> whether you >> >> own a 415 CD or a 415 D. >> >> I sometimes go crazy reading this mail but I miss my coupe and >> >> this is so >> >> much better than nothing. >> >> Fly safe >> >> Jack G. >> >> >> >> >> >> ========================================================================== ==== >> >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ========================================================================== ==== >> > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >> > >> ========================================================================== ==== >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >> >> >> >> >> . >> >> > ========================================================================== ==== > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm
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