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Well stated, Greg. It would be nice if this could be the final word on this subject thread. Paul --- Greg Bullough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm > before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > At 12:44 PM 4/11/01 -0400, GW wrote: > >It is a relatively unsafe bird. > > Relative to what? To a 7AC? No. To a 172? Maybe. But > maybe also it has to do > with the critical part, the nut that holds the > wheel. You can't get behind the > power curve on a stubby-wing airplane, be it a > Tri-Pacer, or an Ercoupe, or a > fat-wing Cherokee, or a Grumman AA1. If you do, > you're going to hit the ground > hard. > > But you'll have the same result in a Bonanza, a > Mooney, or a Comanche, or > you'll have some variation on the theme. > > Similarly, if you leave it in the weeds (as too many > Ercoupe owners have), > don't maintain it (as too many Ercoupe owners > haven't) and fly it once every > six months (as too many Ercoupe owners do) yeah, > it's unsafe. > > Too many people buy Ercoupes on price alone, with no > clue as to how to > maintain an airplane, and with the illusion that the > plane can be flown by > an 11-year-old with no training, and they bend the > bird or themselves. > > > Even the insurance company knows it. > > Those people USED to do the same thing to Cubs and > T-Craft, but now they've > been winnowed out by price and by Darwin, and now > those models are mostly > in the hands of people who maintain them and fly > them properly. > > Insurance companies go on the basis of average for > the model. More Ercoupes > end up in the hands of relatively clueless low-skill > owners these days than do > super-classics like T-Craft, Cubs, and Luscombes. > > That doesn't mean that, all other things being > equal, a GIVEN Ercoupe is less > safe than a given T-Craft. > > It depends on the owner and operator. > > If you were an accident waiting to happen in the > Ercoupe, you're an accident > waiting to happen in your T-Craft. > > Only thing is, instead of being here to say 'in my > hundreds of Ercoupe landings > I've only porpoised a few times I don't know why it > happened' you WON'T be > here to > say something like 'in my hundreds of T-Craft > landings I've only spun on the > turn to final a couple of times, and don't know why > it happened.' > > > It also costs too much to fix. > > Look: if you built a new Ercoupe from scratch today, > it would cost around > $70,000 > (right, Syd?). So why, after you bend a big > percentage of the sheet metal and > structure, do you piss and moan about an $11,000 > repair bill? Have you wrapped > a Mercedes around a telephone pole lately, and > checked out the estimate? > > Bang that T-craft up in a ground loop, tear off a > wing and collapse the > gear, then > talk to us about bills. > > > Insurance companies seem to not make mistakes > when judging the risks. > > True, and so long as we have pilots who fly with > loose fabric on the wings and > who aren't up to the demands of flying even the > Ercoupe, our risk pool will be > high. > > > Funny, I am not the only one who has said bad > things about it. > > That must make it so, then. Look... ...every > aircraft has its foibles. You > can't > fly a 172 out of 10,000 foot density altitude with > four adults and expect > to miss the trees at the end of the 2400 runway. So > what? > > > The plane has an awful limit on the elevator and > that has > >given it a bad record, > > How so? That is the very thing that keeps it from > stall-spinning! Yes, it > makes it possible to land hard IF YOU SCREW UP, but > you walked away > from that screw up. > > >as has two-axis control, whether you zealots like > it or not, > > Again, how so? Given the idiots that have managed > not to kill themselves > in 2-Axis Ercoupes, I'd say it's working pretty > well. > > >the numbers don't lie. > > But they are subject to misinterpretation by > individuals who are trying to > rationalize > around the possibility that they may very well have > screwed up. > > >It is a fact that it can be run off the runway by > good pilots. > > Yes, good pilots sometimes make mistakes. Running > off the runway is a pretty > common one. In many types. I've seen it done in a > 172. > > >It has happened at least twice in the past month. > > Nationally, there have been a lot more mistakes than > that in the past month. > In many types. > > >They also have hard landings and they continue to > believe Erco hype 50 > >years later which leads them to fly in winds no 800 > pound airplane should be > >in. > > Oddly, I agree with you there. I have no interest in > trying to land in a 25MPH > crosswind. I fly for fun. That's not fun for me. > > > Larry, I will forgive you for implying that I am > a bad pilot since I > >have know since the day you joined the list that > you were a moron, > > Glen, Larry's opinion has no bearing on whether you > actually ARE a bad pilot. > > However, your persistent attempts to blame the > Ercoupe's design for your > accident > suggests that there may indeed be a problem with > your attitude. > > From the beginning some of the things you've said > here on the mailing list > have > caused some of us to wonder if you were going to get > yourself killed in your > airplane. Or when. For us, your accident comes as no > surprise. > > That said, there aren't many of us who won't admit > that the same thing could > happen to us tomorrow. > > If we screw up. > > And we must might. > > Greg > > __________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from this list please send > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ==^================================================================ > EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: > http://topica.com/u/?aVxiLm.aVHFWV > Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. > Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You > Choose. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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