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This is not only happening to Ercoupes...
I broke the upper door latch on my Cherokee.  This is a piece of nylon
with
a cam that works the latch.
I called around looking for a new one.  First off you can not even buy the
part that broke, you have to buy the whole latch.
and it is $1500 and a 2 month wait.... a used one from a wreck is $250.00
and it is 30 years old and used....

I see this as a bigger problem...

I used to go to Paine Field and see HUNDREDS of aircraft, last time I was
there I saw 8...
Sadly, this is going on every where.

It is all about doing the least amount of effort for the most amount of
dollars.
Tie down was $6 per month back then, and now it is $80.00 they make the
same
amount with a lot less effort.

Just thinking out loud
Ron Burke





----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren Hampton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "coupers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 6:38 PM
Subject: RE: [COUPERS] New parts


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>
> Vern, Univair sold out of spar caps a few years back. What they now have
> is
> new stock. And the price jumped about 80 / 90 % with that new stock.
Their
> cost shows how fast they want to recover their costs. From about $350 to
> $1545. In 1986 they were about 96 bucks. Oh, to have that time machine.
> Warren
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vern Hendershott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: coupers
> Subject: [COUPERS] New parts
>
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> advice in this forum.]----
>
> Gene,
>
> I think we would all like to see every Coupe updated with new parts
where
> needed. Many can not afford them and some of us find it a empty promise.
>
> If I understand it correctly the spar caps that are available as "New"
are
> in fact "New Old Stock" probably from 1946 production potentially made
in
> the batch that has had the bad heat treat. We do not accomplish much by
> making the change. From what I have seen the spar caps come in good and
> bad. If you jut happen to be lucky and have good ones you are good for
> many
> more years and if you have bad it may be hard to tell with out X-rays of
> eddy current inspections. Most people with a Coupe do not have access to
> these methods of testing. It may only be a short time before the FAA
> inflicts the tests on us and many more Coupes will fall to neglect
because
> they will be grounded and then left to go to seed. We have seen to much
of
> this already. A killer AD would do just that to many more. Yes the ones
> that have bad spar caps should be removed from service and I fear that
the
> metal clad wings are the place that this problem is hiding. If it is it
> will be found and it will be a sad day for many.
>
> Yes Cleveland brakes are much better and they are affordable. Many
should
> be moving to them.
>
> I do not share your love affair with the 30 gal. fuel tanks. The current
> fuel system works very well and it is very simple. If the engine driven
> pump fails you have almost an hour to work out the problem (find a place
> to
> land). With the 30 gal. system if you loose the Electric pump you are a
> glider and we have all heard how much fun that is in an Ercoupe. I do
> agree
> that the tanks need to be well maintained and many need to be opened
> cleaned and reassembled with proper procedures to make them safe and
fuel
> tight tanks. The Piper Cherokee had the same problem with the same fix.
>
> The larger engines with greater hp leave a lot to be desired. The 0-200
is
> heavier and has a poor propeller which does little for the improvement
of
> performance. The Franklin is vapor ware, it does not exist and I do not
> hear of anyone who is working on it. The 85 hp Cont. with 0-200 pistons,
> rods and crank may well be a better engine. With new cylinders and a
good
> case it is a fine engine that will make over 90 hp in fact and uses a
much
> better matched propeller. The rest of the engine accessories can be new
if
> you want them to be it is just money. Slick makes fine new production
mags
> and a Marvel carb that has been properly overhauled is as good as new.
>
> It is all in the care level that is put into maintenance. All to many
> people just do not budget correctly to have the proper level of
> maintenance
> care provided for their aircraft (some just do not have the money and I
> have been there) and some just do not know what is needed. It is hard to
> find a shop that is interested in doing good work on Coupes and harder
> still to find an owner who wants to pay for first class maintenance
> service.
>
> I think we as a community need to focus on ways to deal with the real
> problem of educating our community on what is vital in the way of
> maintenance to assure that the aircraft are flown safely. If we do not
do
> this the FAA will give it a try and none of us will like their version
of
> FUN.
>
> It has been clear form the recent discussion on what caused a members
> crash
> (on airport total of a Coupe). It was generally agreed that the problem
> was
> pilot related but there were many ideas as to what he should or should
not
> have done. I was not there and do not want to Monday morning quarterback
> the man, but it is clear that the Ercoupe most of us love need a
> particular
> kind o flying technique to operate it safely. I would think that one of
> the
> very best things the EOC and this group could do is to get some of the
> people who do have the best experience with the Coupe and after good
sound
> debate publish some solid recommendations on how best to fly a Coupe.
Yes
> there are some fun issues like calibration of airspeed indicators so
that
> the numbers would make sense. Some still fly way over even the 1400
pound
> limit because they enjoy the lie in the log book about the weight of
their
> aircraft. A good start would be to weigh each and every Coupe and
correct
> balance problems as well. This could be done at group regional flyins as
a
> day project. All you need is a decent set of scales and a hangar to do
it
> in. It does not take very long to do it right.
>
> I would like to see many more aircraft converted to split elevators.
This
> is also a cheap fix if done as a group project. It is all in the working
> together and focus on the important issues.
>
> Have a very good day and I hope you all get to go flying this week.
>
> Best regards,
> Vern
>
> N94892 415G
>
>
>
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