on 28/11/01 1:16 pm, Jerry Amundson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I like the idea of a poll!

Terrific idea!....Err....why?

> Let's simplifiy things and phrase the question like this, "Do you believe
> standards should be followed as the talented, intelligent people who
> designed them expect,

Absolutely. That is by definition what a standard is.

> or should we bend over backwards for Microsoft so Bill
> Gates can rule the whole mother f*&^ing world?"

No I do not think anyone should bend over backwards, sideways or any other
way to appease Microsoft. However, when your mail is rejected it doesn't
hurt Microsoft - it hurts you. You could of course write to Microsoft and
complain, and I wish you luck. Before you can do this of course you need to
know that your mail never reached you.

As a programmer myself I have encountered many situations over the years in
which a particular piece of software/hardware/whatever has not strictly
adhered to the standard. I faced a choice:

1) I adhere to the standard and tell my customers that if they want to use
something which doesn't conform then they should return my product and buy
someone else's. Morally sound but a calamity for my product.

2) I find a way to work in conjunction with the buggy hardware/software,
whilst making a great deal of noise about it's non-conformity. Morally
unsatisfactory but it makes my customer smile - especially when I can
interact with more third party products than any of my competitors, warts
and all.

> People, stop bothering Sam, shut up, and point users to
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-support.html
> please!

The last thing I want to do is bother Sam. After all he has provided what
has to be the _best_ mail server available bar none - and at a very
reasonable price ;)

I will take your suggestion and point people at the above link, with full
instructions on what exactly they should complain about, and also direct the
appropriate offenders at the relevant RFCs.

As I said before though - just who do I point this information out to? If
mail is rejected the problem goes unnoticed, unless I scan my maillog on a
regular basis looking for the rejections. I then have to write an email to
the original sender and ask them to send the message again with a working
client, and at the same time assure them that I have not been spying on
their correspondence with my user.

-- 
Tim Hosking
You are in a twisty little passage of standards, all conflicting.





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