On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:00, Papo Napolitano wrote:
> <RANT>
> WTF is going on with you ppl???
> The question asked was "Is there any reason I can't just do a make
> install?", not "which mta is the best?"
> </RANT>

Thank you for answerring Kens original question.

The reason he asked the question under this Subject, and the
other ~OT replies, are all relevant for this thread. The "which
mta is the best?" is in the context of replacing courier-mta to
fix a stupid "rule" that has a NEGATIVE impact of those responsible
for installing and managing this software. It's a bizarre situation
that I am compelled, even forced, to change software I am otherwise
completely happy with, even excited about because it solved my
greatest need to have authentication out of MySQL in a natural way
without... dare I say, patches and hacks. Finally I can manage
email resources for over a dozen servers and 6K clients sanely
and was looking forward to exploring couriermlm next.

This issue is not going to go away. The more wisespread courier-mta
becomes the MORE this is going to become an issue and even in this
thread it's obvious quite a number of people avoid this "problem"
by using a different MTA (as well as for other misc reasons).

The only argument I've seen for strict RFC compliant binary
attachement checking is that it's "the right thing to do" and it
_may_ allow client MUAs to crash. If that happens then the original
sender and the recipient can be "blamed" for using lame software
whereas the way things stand now... the MTA in the middle is
FORCING a policy upon ISPs and their clients that squarely puts
the MTA at "fault" as the culprit causing a "problem" where dodo
clients pretty (and obnoxious) backgrounds and attachements do not
appear as the client was led to expect. For me and others not using
courier-mta, this is/was a show stopper. If the clients MUA happens
to crash it's THEIR problem, get another MUA... the way things are
now it is the ISP in the middles problem... get another MTA !

The answer is so shit simple it's almost embarrasing to have to
even put it in words. If the official courier-mta distribution
could apply a (what!) 4 line patch and offer a run-time config
option to disable this checking then I suspect a lot more people
could happily run courier-mta... and these contentious messages
and threads will dissapear from this mailing-list.

As for postfix and exim, I'm sure they are fine MTAs but in our
case our client data is firmly embedded in MySQL tables and I'm
not prepared to undo that (it took 5 years to get it so) and I
don't know if or how these other MTAs can do that whereas I do
have sendmail setup to use the same tables and could switch back
to it fairly easily. I would, however, much prefer to make a
simple call (ie; my choice) to simply edit esmtpd and uncomment
IGNORE_RFC2045=1 and have no more of these moronic complaints
coming from our clients.

--markc

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