Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:26:23PM -0200, Marcus Felipe Pereira wrote:
>
> >
> > So we can expect that some day Courier will have the config option to
> > ignore RFC2045?
>
> Maybe, perhaps, with a very liberal interpretation of "some day".
Hmm Why do I get the feeling the interpretation your thinking of is
similar to a phrase about drastic climate changes in the nether
realms...
> But
> first, I want to put back an option to bounce it. I'm sick of all the crap
> that people keep sending me. I'm not going to change the current default
> behavior, of wrapping the original mail as an attachment, I'll just add an
> option to revert to 0.36 behavior.
Now That might be rather equitable... default behavior encapsulate, with
a "Strict RFC" option and a "Client Beware" option.
Wrong as it may be, badly formatted mail seems to be more common each
day rather than less, and as many of us have users who don't care this
is becoming a constant headache.
Is there Anybody who uses Courier as the primary MTA for a large group
of users who doesn't use a patched version? Not that I want to go back,
but I think the old bounce routine was actually easier on the mail
admins as the users didn't know that they were not getting their mail...
now in my experience, and it looks like for several others, the life
expectancy of an unpatched version is about 3 encapsulated mails to the
boss.
BTW whoever brought up Nazi's that was just stupid. Talk about shooting
yourself in the foot and doing a dis-service to your cause! Lets please
all just set that one aside and ignore it so we don't fall prey to
Godwin's law. ;)
Anyhoo, I guess a lot of this boils down to the primary motivation and
goals behind the Courier-MTA. If it was an exercise in coding or RFC
compliance it is definitely a astounding success. If it was a statement
on the rising abuse of the standards that make the net possible, again a
success. If the goal was to make a popular MTA that ranks up there with
Qmail, Exim, Postfix and the other big non-sendmail mail software
suites.. well the fact that it won't deliver mail in a way that makes
both users and admins happy is kind of a stumbling block. If you don't
want to do the last, that's cool. Its your software, your baby. And if
your satisfied with it, that's what matters. But please, just let us
know so those who are working in a professional environment and need a
fire and forget mail server that works, all the time without anyone
noticing, and delivers mail from hotmail, ebay, yahoo, italian versions
of outlook, and asian spam ;) can start considering what else might
have the nifty features of Courier but puts functionality first. I say
functionality because to me the function of a MTA is to move email from
point A to point B. Not lay judgment on it, not educate the sender or
the receiver, not make a statement about the politics of email and
internet standards, just make communication easier.
That said, even if you don't change it, i'm probably not going to rip
out courier and put something else in. I'm one guy taking care of 60
linux, irix, and sun boxes on top of being under qualified. I've patched
it and unless a glaring security hole pops up, i'm probably going to
leave it as is. I'm not going to throw a temper tantrum. If I'd known
what I was getting into, I might have picked something else, but I don't
have time to change now. All I'm asking, Sam, is that you seriously
give this whole matter some thought and think about your goals.
We couldn't ask for a developer who is more responsive to his users. I
have wondered at times how you ever get work done or find time to sleep
with the number of issues you address a day ;). This leads me to
believe that you really do care about folks using your software, and
want it to be a success in the community. Its pretty obvious that your
not doing this just for you. So if your goal is to make courier a
"A-list" mail server and make the folks using your software happy...
well, ask yourself how much your willing to flex on this one issue. As
I've said before in earlier iterations of this topic, when it comes down
to it, YES you are right and yahoo, ebay, hotmail, ect are WRONG. But
sometimes being right can be less important that being willing to
compromise.
Well that's enough verbiage from me. Sorry for wasting your bandwidth.
Later,
david.
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