Hi Julie!

Anytime is good for me, generally-- just need a couple days notice and a
time.
One note: right now, the system does not require you to pay to get online--
only to create a user/pw. The ultimate goal would be to link internet
connectivity to payment, and have ways for full-timers to bypass, as well as
a "OMG just need 20 minutes to check my email" button.

T



On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Julie <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Tony,
>
> Would love to talk to you about wifidog some time before SXSW if not
> before.  What's the best way to get on your sched?  Just looking at
> your screenshot, looks like an efficient, automated way of tracking.
> We do manual sign-ins and process on paypal (similar to Alex, it
> sounds).  We have a wifi password that all members have, of course,
> and we just provide it for drop-ins too.  We change that password
> every couple of months.
>
> Julie Duryea
> owner, souk
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>
>
> On Jan 6, 6:33 am, "Tony Bacigalupo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > New Work City uses a system built by NYC Wireless on the WifiDog
> platform.
> > It requires users to create and use a login when connecting, which can be
> > useful down the line in building out profiles and other social features.
> >
> > It also allows us to build a landing page after people log in, which we
> use
> > for a buy button for dropins, headlines from our blog and twitter, and a
> > calendar (screenshot here:
> http://www.nwcny.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nycw-nwc.jpg)
> >
> > I wrote a quick post about it here:
> http://www.nwcny.com/blog/2009/01/nycwireless-at-new-work-city/
> >
> > WifiDog should fulfill your bullet point list of needs, except perhaps
> for
> > OpenID support.
> >
> > Keep us posted!
> >
> > Tony Bacigalupo
> > New Work City
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Will Norris <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > I've been talking with Tara and Chris about setting up a better system
> > > for the wireless network at Citizen Space.  It is one of the few
> > > (only?) spaces in San Francisco that still offers free drop-ins (at
> > > least for the time being).  As such, they've never had a good system
> > > for tracking who is using the space.  There is a physical guest book
> > > by the door, but few people actually use.  So we've been talking about
> > > changing the network to require users to fill out a basic form before
> > > they can access the net (similar to how most public wifi hotspots
> > > work).  Before I spend too much time on this, I wanted to survey the
> > > community a bit...
> >
> > > What are other spaces doing to control internet access at their
> > > spaces?  Do you require authentication of any kind to get online?  Is
> > > it simply a password written on a whiteboard in a public area of the
> > > space?  Do you have individual logins for each person?
> >
> > > How are others tracking drop-ins?  If you are charging for drop-ins,
> > > then you pretty much have to track them in order to bill them.  What
> > > about those that allow free drop-ins... do you have accurate records
> > > of who is using the space and when?
> >
> > > Some preliminary brainstorming for a solution at Citizen Space:
> > >   - paying residents should be able to get online with as minimal a
> > > barrier as possible
> > >   - drop-ins should be forced to "authenticate", which would likely
> > > include filling out a basic form with contact information and a brief
> > > explanation of why they're at the space (ie. just to work, for a
> > > meetup, barcamp, etc).
> > >   - after authentication, drop-ins should be allowed internet access
> > > for a set period of time (24 hours?).  The next time they get online,
> > > they should have to resubmit the form, but it should probably be pre-
> > > populated with the values they used last time, to make it as simple as
> > > possible
> > >   - ideally, OpenID should used for any kind of authentication.  This
> > > creates a potential technical challenge at the firewall, but I think I
> > > can come up with something
> >
> > > My twitter followers offered up the following possible packages:
> > >   - NoCatAuth [http://nocat.net/]
> > >   - pfSense [http://pfsense.org/]
> > >   - Wifidog [http://wifidog.org/]
> >
> > > Right now, I'm leaning toward Wifidog.  It seems to either do
> > > everything I want, or have the flexibility that I can add it in.  It
> > > has the additional advantage of being specifically designed to support
> > > a network of access points.  That means, in theory, multiple coworking
> > > spaces could be connected so that users of one space could login and
> > > use the internet at other spaces.  So my second set of questsions,
> > > regarding this:
> >
> > > Would others be interested in whatever solution we come up with, for
> > > using at your own space?  I imagine some of you may be perfectly happy
> > > with whatever solution you've got, but there may be others looking for
> > > something better.  If so, do you have any developer resources or
> > > expertise you'd be willing to contribute toward this effort?  Would
> > > other be interested in being part of a larger network of coworking
> > > spaces like this?  This ties in directly with the "coworking visa"
> > > idea that's been discussed, just on the electronic side.  I think this
> > > larger network is much farther down the road, but something to keep in
> > > mind.
> >
> > > So that's a lot to digest I guess, but I'd love to hear any feedback
> > > or thoughts people have on this subject.  Once we get an idea of what
> > > people are doing, and a plan for moving forward, we can record all of
> > > this on the coworking wiki.
> >
> > > -will
> >
> >
> >
>

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