-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aimee wrote:
> > To wit, no two people can safely tell the same lie to the same person. Bah. I say it depends entirely on what the lie is, who's being lied to, and how confident and artistic the confidence artists are. Choate: > Actually they can, only one (or both, if we allow 3 or more agents, only > one is required to 'know' the lie) of the people must believe it is the > truth. If they were good enough (and their targets comfortable enough), all three could be lying their asses off about anything and nobody would ever be the wiser. Likewise, with three or more targets playing it the other direction. >Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has been established. Careful parsing is the spice of life... :P >But, you know, after pondering on that a bit...What if "the lie" was >supposedly "really secret stuff?" >You know, "ME LUCKY CHARMS!" >I know the little boys and girls are after me lucky charms. >If "3 or more agents" happen to run in the door with me lucky charms, Sounds about right. >that might smell really fishy to some people since leprechauns are hard to >catch. Somewhere over the rainbow. >Furthermore, if you ask them about these lucky charms in isolation, they >better know the lucky charms like the back of their hand, or further >investigation is likely to review not-so-lucky inconsistencies. The >"knowing" part can be rendered irrelevant by context, indeed it is >sometimes imperative that everybody KNOW so as to provide...uhm.....secondary >alternative consistency. But what about when the unlucky charmers find they're actually the victims of a deceivers-deceiving-the-deceivers-deceiving-the-deceivers kind of thing. What shows that the snowers know they've slowly been snowed? Bet it keeps a lot of people awake at night, that one. Tricky, but fascinating. If anyone knows of any good links to counter-deception detection, drop me a line. Not sure how "on topic" it is, but something everyone here would do well to read about. Either that, or just default to not trusting anyone, ever. Works for me. >And, "lucky charm lies" can take many forms, including physical, which might >be subject to verification, additional investigation and other stuff I don't >want to happen to me lucky charms, because I might want the enemy to believe >they are TRULY "lucky," "charmed," and "mine." >I'm sure "it depends," but perhaps that wisdom came from just such a >situation. Oh really? *blink blink* like what? Didn't work, huh...damn, better go brush up on my social engineering. LOL ~~Faustine. *** The enemy resembles us. Therefore, he needs to be approached not as an assembly of 'targets' to be destroyed one by one; but as a living, intelligent entity capable of acting and reacting. - --Martin Van Creveld -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBPJ/o8vg5Tuca7bfvEQIgLACeNITrMr+sYCicyHWyVw3anqpkwY4AoI8a KK/Xi3yMBzfoRiCzqjuiYtbK =+eZw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
