HI Tony,

Well, I am very glad that you have got this argument of yours all out on the table. 

As you are fond of quoting what is stated in private correspondence publicly, I hope 
you will not begrudge me the same liberty.  You have admitted privately that the 
influx of unskilled immigrant labor is a factor in putting downward pressure on wages. 
 Granted, we assign it different weight, but nonetheless you have conceded this as at 
lest a factor.  Very well, but now you say:

"What is most disturbing, is your effort to reduce down your support for
enforcement of capitalist immigration laws,  to some sort of strict
economic and population control necessity.      A supposed pragmatism
that refuses to look at other factors beyond the economics of the
situation, as you see it.      No time for Christian charity here."


As I commented to you before, Tony, but you don't seem to understand the principle, 
charity begins at home.  For you and me, home is the United States, and the object of 
our charity ought first to be the well-being of the US laboring population.  What you 
wish to do, in so many words, is enable a large number of workers from Mexico to 
improve their economic circumstances by freely immigrating (no borders!) to the United 
States, thereby underbidding and undermining the tenuous gains made by organized labor 
in boosting wages for workers here.  Sure, there are other factors that affect wages 
for better or for worse, but in an economy such as this one based on the vile notion 
of a labor market, there is no more influential factor, ceteris paribus, than the 
SUPPLY of labor, especially when organized labor's political strength is so 
attenuated.  

I is more than a little ironic that you, who are quite willing to openly cannibalize 
existing wages for currentlyh employed American workers, for the benefit of those who 
have not even arrived here, accuse me of lack of charity.  I say, let them be the 
judge of who is lacking in charity. Personally, I suspect the charity of him who wants 
to help those in other countries, but ignores those in his own land.  This is, after 
all, the same rationale as US presidents use when invoking "humanitarian 
interventions" abroad while ignoring the ranks of the destitute and homeless here. 
EXACTLY THE SAME.

(I am going to ignore Tahir's mishmash entirely, as it does not speak 
to these salient points, and those provoked by Mark's thesis on surplus population as 
a function of capitalist accumlation,  including immigrant labor as a last resort.  I 
think Tahir is capable of nothing but empty rhetoric, personally.  Reminds me of Nero 
fiddling while Rome burned.)


Peace,
Ken





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