Tony writes:

>Tom, this is the worst sort of American exceptionalist theorizing
>But it comes from the heart, so it gets a plus for honesty, at least.

Yayyyyy! I finally score a plus on Crashlist!Hooray!

>You are a stand-in on this list, for Mr. and Mrs. Joe US Citizen.
>Terrible, but true.

Awk! Mr.&Mrs. Joe would be appalled to have ME in that position. (Terrible, 
but true also.) However I shall do my best as stand-in for them anyway, at 
least for the rest of this post.

>Two BIG problems with this.     I believe that the indigenous might >have 
>preferred even the Spanish.

Except of course indigenous Aztecs. However I would actually agree,the 
Lakota Sioux would have preferred Spaniards. ... and I estimate that 
African-Americans would too. It is my limited understanding that Spanish law 
provided for some rights to slaves? I am not so sure that  over-all the 
"indigenous" see any difference between the different European colonizers 
and their genocide, however.

>The Vietnamese might even have
>preferred the French.

Dien Bien Phu might indicate otherwise. (Just a guess.) <g>

>And the Iraquis, the British.... if they just
>came alone without Clinton and Bush being the guiding hands.      I
>could go on and on....... with this line.

I am sitting here somewhat amused at the prospect of comparing the relative 
merits of different brands of Imperialism. It's a rather capitalist 
endeavor, after all, to compare brands of anything. But since I kibitzed on 
your's and Julien's discussion, I deserve to get MY fingers burnt; so I will 
respond no more to this package of bologna.

>Another big problem.    Selfishness is not 'a natural and normal
>mentality', except in toddlers.      One can say that capitalism is
>nothing more than a state of arrested development.      Let's put the
>honchos on Ritalin!

At last! A workable plan for avoiding the crash!

>Please don't offend our human nature again,
>with this Christian apologism.

I can't promise that, but I will promise to stay out of churches.

>Inherent sin, my God!
>
>Comradely, Tony

You should smile a bit more, my friend. Try laughing, too. It is wonderful.


Tom

"I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my 
side ...."  - Treebeard  "The Two Towers"






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