Rob wrote-
<And you're making a VERY big claim here, comrade! Sure, there are many
instances of militarist eco-destruction (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Viecques,
Murmansk, Vladivostok. Muroroa Atol, Kiribati and Vietnam come to mind
at once, for instance), but the relationship between prevailing farming
practices and defoliation, salination, soil loss and water usage strike
me as a most formidable contributor to ecological destruction. So I'm
with Julien, tell us more!>
To my earlier assertion that.....
The militarism of capitalist society pervades all its economic
actiivites.
Julien also felt the need to add-
<How? More than, say, pig raising pervades them?>
You and Rob, Julien, seem to be in a broad 'popular front' to rush head
long into asserting that the military is not so bad ecologically, after
all. They even say this out West in the US. Since our military
bases are closed off, we are basically a group of wildlife refuges!
Oh, but watch your step! And I'm not talking about pig poop here.
But one broad subject at a time, though I certainly think that this
ecological list about the unsustainability of capitalist society, needs
to concentrate on the role of the military in environmental desruction,
ESPECIALLY SINCE so many list subscribers seem to underevaluate miltary
contribution in this department.
So back to imperialism's connection to financial capital and it's games,
for the time being.
Julien asserts-
<How does finance capital run governments? It lobbies them, sure.>
This is a pretty picture. Gentle financial imperialism, lobbying
Third World countries. Nestor just put a Spanish language document
of an Argentine court decision on the list. Due to the crappy WebTV
apparatus, I only received part of the halved document in this long
email. But I think I got the gist of the findings.
An international consortium of banks purchased the services of the
Argentine government to loot the nation's wealth by indebting it
indefinitely nto the future. It lobbied them sure, and up the.....
This was the court's decision. But of course, the Argentine court is
a lower court of law on the international scene. US courts are the
Supreme Court.
Julien says-
<But yes, I did argue that we should not give it centrality in the
process of imperialism (Nestor's definition). This is because of the
thinness of the barriers between finance and other capital.>
Even more to the point, Julien, is that you do not even recognize the
above operation of financial capital, as being the destructive hand of
American and Europen imperialism in action. It isn't big in the
news screen, so we missed it.
On Guatemala, I wrote earlier-
I just
posted an article on another list, about how the main Guatemalan
business group had confesssed that 250,000 jobs were lost in that
country of 12,000,000, the last year alone. � � That is imperialism.
Julien found this to be NOT CONCLUSIVE-
<I have no idea of the situation nor of the cause, but it could be many
other things.>
What other things, Julien? Planetary alignment out over the
Guatemalan skies? Mayan Indians not doing their fair share? Or
just poor investent potential, no capital flow in via the imperialist
financial system? It just happened, not by any 'plot' or anything?
Once again, I'm not just trying to be rude. But your idea of
imperialism needs quite a lot of expansion and redefinition.
Tony
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