I do not dislike marxism or marxists as should have been reasonably clear.
What I dislike is theorising and point-scoring to no particular practical
purpose. For as you say, life is short.
best
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "TAHIR WOOD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!
> Frankly, I don't think that these various messages in
> various styles that are simply saying "I don't like marxism
> and marxists" add anything to the list. You know who the
> marxists are and you've got a delete key, so use it. Life is
> short and none of us can read everything, so I'll
> understand, I promise.
>
> Tahir
>
> >>> "John Bunzl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/29 9:41 PM >>>
> Aaron's message below sums up precisely and graciously
> exactly what I have
> been wanting to say too for some time.
> Will anyone take any notice???
> John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "aaron hoffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!
>
>
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I would like to make a couple of comments about marxism
> and common
> sense
> > etc.
> >
> > First of all I am not a marxist, even so I share a lot
> of the same
> > values that most marxists I've come across have. One
> reason I do not think
> > that I will ever be a marxist is that I simply don't
> understand what you
> are
> > talking about sometimes. Also, as Tom was saying, I
> sometimes get a sense
> of
> > arrogance, that seems to shut the door on any
> alternative views on the
> > matter.
> >
> > I realize that on this list we are supposedly
> discussing the crash and
> > what kind of societal structures we need to cope with,
> prevent, or lessen
> > such an occurrence[ at least I think that's what we are
> doing, if I'm
> wrong
> > or missing something please tell me]. So we are definetly
> not writing to
> > convince the public at large, as of yet. However, if we
> are to change the
> > world, so to speak, we must at some point be able to
> express our views to
> a
> > much wider audience and be convincing to that audience.
> Now I'm certainly
> > not the most educated or well read, or most intelligent
> person around. But
> I
> > do spend an inordinate amount of time,compared to the
> average person,
> > thinking and reading about our society and its problems
> and how I would
> like
> > to see things be instead, and how maybe that could be
> done. What I'm
> saying
> > is, that if I find your arguments hard to follow and I
> spend the kind of
> > time I do on this type of thing, how on earth are you
> going to be able to
> > communicate with the average person who works 8-12hrs a
> day and has kids
> to
> > deal with, along with many other things. These people are
> going to tune
> you
> > out almost immediately unless you [we] are able to speak
> in clear and
> > straight forward terms that does not also deteriorate into
> mere slogans.
> >
> > Please don't think I'm attacking anyone in particular,
> this has just
> been
> > something I've noticed with marxists on several lists, as
> well as in
> person.
> > I've also found this among economists, who like to refer
> to statistical
> > models in the tenth dimension which only 10 other people
> in the world can
> > understand. Of course most economists are happy with the
> status quo so it
> > suites their needs to speak in impenetrable terms. That
> way no one is
> > qualified to dispute them. Since we on this list are not
> here defending
> the
> > status quo, it would benefit us to make our arguments more
> accessible.
> >
> > I guess I simply am venting some of my frustration at
> what I see as
> > fairly simple arguments being wrapped up in language that
> has no other
> > purpose than to make the writer feel intelligent and the
> rest of us feel
> > confused or dumb or both. Until recently I thought this
> was mainly the
> > domain of post modernists.
> >
> > Sincerely, Aaron.
>
>
>
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