Frankly, I don't think that these various messages in
various styles that are simply saying "I don't like marxism
and marxists" add anything to the list. You know who the
marxists are and you've got a delete key, so use it. Life is
short and none of us can read everything, so I'll
understand, I promise.
Tahir
>>> "John Bunzl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/29 9:41 PM >>>
Aaron's message below sums up precisely and graciously
exactly what I have
been wanting to say too for some time.
Will anyone take any notice???
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "aaron hoffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CrashList] Self Determination- Support It!
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I would like to make a couple of comments about marxism
and common
sense
> etc.
>
> First of all I am not a marxist, even so I share a lot
of the same
> values that most marxists I've come across have. One
reason I do not think
> that I will ever be a marxist is that I simply don't
understand what you
are
> talking about sometimes. Also, as Tom was saying, I
sometimes get a sense
of
> arrogance, that seems to shut the door on any
alternative views on the
> matter.
>
> I realize that on this list we are supposedly
discussing the crash and
> what kind of societal structures we need to cope with,
prevent, or lessen
> such an occurrence[ at least I think that's what we are
doing, if I'm
wrong
> or missing something please tell me]. So we are definetly
not writing to
> convince the public at large, as of yet. However, if we
are to change the
> world, so to speak, we must at some point be able to
express our views to
a
> much wider audience and be convincing to that audience.
Now I'm certainly
> not the most educated or well read, or most intelligent
person around. But
I
> do spend an inordinate amount of time,compared to the
average person,
> thinking and reading about our society and its problems
and how I would
like
> to see things be instead, and how maybe that could be
done. What I'm
saying
> is, that if I find your arguments hard to follow and I
spend the kind of
> time I do on this type of thing, how on earth are you
going to be able to
> communicate with the average person who works 8-12hrs a
day and has kids
to
> deal with, along with many other things. These people are
going to tune
you
> out almost immediately unless you [we] are able to speak
in clear and
> straight forward terms that does not also deteriorate into
mere slogans.
>
> Please don't think I'm attacking anyone in particular,
this has just
been
> something I've noticed with marxists on several lists, as
well as in
person.
> I've also found this among economists, who like to refer
to statistical
> models in the tenth dimension which only 10 other people
in the world can
> understand. Of course most economists are happy with the
status quo so it
> suites their needs to speak in impenetrable terms. That
way no one is
> qualified to dispute them. Since we on this list are not
here defending
the
> status quo, it would benefit us to make our arguments more
accessible.
>
> I guess I simply am venting some of my frustration at
what I see as
> fairly simple arguments being wrapped up in language that
has no other
> purpose than to make the writer feel intelligent and the
rest of us feel
> confused or dumb or both. Until recently I thought this
was mainly the
> domain of post modernists.
>
> Sincerely, Aaron.
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