Mark,
I think you miss the point of both the post that I
forwarded to this list as well as the point that
Carrol has been attempting to make here for some time
now. And that is that we cannot expect to see such
problems the energy crisis, global warming, or ecocide
dealt with in a progressive manner unless there is
in place a mass movement that is dedicated to resisting
the ruling classes. And such a movement is most likely
to appear under conditions of relative economic
prosperity when it possible for workers to resist
capital from a relatively favorable position.
Unless, a mass movement is in place, I think we can
pretty much guarantee that when problems like the energy
crisis, global warming, and/or ecocide come to a head,
it will be our bourgeois ruling classes that will
dictate how these problems will be handled, with
all of the negative consequences that this implies.
In other words the best time for us to deal with
the Crash is before it happens. To expect that
a progressive social movement will arise after it
occurs to take the inititiative is to my mind
wishful thinking.
Jim F.
------Original Message------
From: "Mark Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: September 11, 2000 1:50:54 PM GMT
Subject: RE: [CrashList] FWD: Re: Barnesites, revolutionary parties etc
James Farmelant wrote:
> I used to hold to the idea that when things got bad enough, we'd
> finally see things start to happen. I'm no longer convinced that that
> will be the case.
Wishing for good times won't make them happen if they aren't *going* to
happen. Is it your argument that there is no energy crisis, no global
warming, no ecocide, or that these three phenomena are not interrelated? If
not then what is your point?
The Crashlist is not a forum for wishful thinking. If you want to pray for
rain, or vote for Gore in the hope of 'good times', nobody prevents you. Do
whatever you like. But what we are doing *here* is analyse events with as
much data and as logical rigour as possible, not whistle in the dark or
stick our heads in the sand.
"Survival from day to day" may not *even* be an option for many people.
That's the point you should start from.
Mark
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