Says Tom Warren (Emarkadero):
"THANK YOU, TAHIR.....very much for taking the issue seriously enough to have
written this post. I for one appreciate it more than I can articulate."
I know it's been a frustrating several months for you, Tom, as well has it
been for me. Still, the reason for your effusive gratitude eludes me. You're
merely holding their feet to warm coals. As I read Tahir's answer to "our"
question:
1) Capitalism is bad
2) The Manifesto criticises capitalism
3) Capitalism sucks
4) Mark criticises capitalism
5) Marx has an alternative
6) Capitalism and private property are useless
7) Some think capitalism is not useless so we debate
8) Boshevism is not marxism
9) Tahir despairs of defending marxism
And that's the best they can do?
First, lets get the namecalling out of the way. I am not a capitalist,
redbaiter or (ugh) economist (neoclassical or otherwise). I am a goddam
treehugging, EF!ing, H. Sapiens of the first order --- one who understands
his place in the natural system and is smart enough to recognise adumbration,
obfuscation, flim-flam and overintellectualized persiflage when he sees it.
Tom finally, loquaciously, asked the questions that I had asked Tony about
two months ago (before I unsubbed, when it seemed that a direct,
understandable answer was not forthcoming). I thought for a second that Mark,
in his latest post, was going to get around to finally answering "the
questions" that I joined this list to investigate --- and he danced around it
once again.
I'm not disputing anyone's point here. I'm not debating. I agree: CAPITALISM
SUCKS! I'm just tired of endless banal negative criticism, the on-the-ground
details of which, as an environmentalist, I may well be more familiar than
many of you.
What I want to know is:
1) What is the socialist or Marxist plan for avoiding the Crash? (Forgive me
for feeling that whining about capitalism is not a viable approach.)
2) How would socialists reconstruct a "sustainable" social order after the
crash of capitalism (bearing in mind the severe energy and resource
contraints likely to pertain at that time)?
3) What is the socialist "vision" for a sustainable society which would
nurture us down the millennia while, at the same time, allowing the rest of
nature's creation to enjoy the same benefits?
To quote the esteemed Mr. Warren, "C'mon marxists ... put up or shut up."
Hallyx
"The cost of a thing is the amount of what I will call life which is required
to be exchanged for it, immediately or in the long run." --- Henry David
Thoreau
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