> I know it's been a frustrating several months for you, Tom,
> as well has it
> been for me.
Hallyx, what I said just now to Tom also applies. This is an open list
and you are welcome to post as much as you like and to shape
discussion the way you think it ought to go. You don't need to sit
there feeling silently frustrated and alienated.
> I
> am a goddam
> treehugging, EF!ing, H. Sapiens of the first order --- one
> who understands
> his place in the natural system and is smart enough to
> recognise adumbration,
> obfuscation, flim-flam and overintellectualized persiflage
> when he sees it.
I can't find a single clear statement (other than this) of your
position and the reasons why you hold it, in tghe message archives.
You have never offered a single document by Arne Naess or anyone else
to put on the website. There IS at least one EF! figures rerpresented
on the crashlist website, and that is Judy Bari, and I put that there.
EF! is a serious politics, so why are you like a trappist monk about
it?
> I thought for a
> second that Mark,
> in his latest post, was going to get around to finally
> answering "the
> questions" that I joined this list to investigate --- and
> he danced around it
> once again.
>
Be more specific! WHEN did I dance around and evade an issue? No doubt
I did and do it all the time, so why not hold MY feet to fire a bit? I
could use a little help too, you know. I want to be clear.
>
> What I want to know is:
>
> 1) What is the socialist or Marxist plan for avoiding the
> Crash? (Forgive me
> for feeling that whining about capitalism is not a viable approach.)
How CAN there be a Marxist plan??? The whole premise of this list is
that there is no such plan, that no-one has any plan, be they Marxist,
EF!, Anarchist or whatever.
>
> 2) How would socialists reconstruct a "sustainable" social
> order after the
> crash of capitalism (bearing in mind the severe energy and resource
> contraints likely to pertain at that time)?
How can ANYONE answer that question from ANY perspective since NOONE
knows what we will face afterwards (the survivors, that is)?
>
> 3) What is the socialist "vision" for a sustainable society
> which would
> nurture us down the millennia while, at the same time,
> allowing the rest of
> nature's creation to enjoy the same benefits?
>
> To quote the esteemed Mr. Warren, "C'mon marxists ... put
> up or shut up."
Exactly. Put up or shut up.
Mark
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