When I first called up this list (lo these many months ago) I was under the 
impression that it was a politically-oriented and educated newsgroup with an 
understanding of the environmental and energetic crises that we are now 
facing. I was soon dissuaded of that assumption. 

My first post was a polite and humble question: Do you guys know what's going 
on; have you any suggestions as to how political solutions might apply? Mark 
Smith attempted a reasonable reply, however couched in the jargon of Marxism 
and with insufficient understanding of my environmental concerns. (This has 
changed considerably on Mark's part.)

As for the majority of the responses, I was castigated, ridiculed, called 
red-baiter and worse. Unlike Tom Warren, whose Prozac prescription seems to 
be working splendidly, I am not one to take shit from people who know less 
than I about my areas of concern and who chose to ignore them or, because of 
their ideology, are incapable of understanding them. Religious 
fundamentalists, too, annoy me for those very reasons.

It seems that, through Tom's and a few others patient, borderline obsequious 
ministrations, a general understanding is beginning to appear. I would 
therefore like to restate my original question: We are at the cusp of the 
most important, potentially devasting and all-encompassing change ever 
encountered in the history of the world. Among them, but by no means the only 
concern, is the fate of civilization. Is there anyone, with more than a 
parochial ideological focus, who would like to venture a political solution 
beyond the destruction of capitalism? 

I assure you I'd be the first to agree "capitalism sux." From an biocentric 
environmentalist viewpoint, I probably hold it in lower esteem than even many 
of the self-proclaimed Marxists here. You're going to get your wish no matter 
how arduous or lackadaisical your effort. I merely want to know: What next?

Tom Warren has already suggested a few concrete steps: bioregionalism, to 
succor any remnant of social collapse; Earth awareness, to help ensure 
there'll be regions that might support those who survive the crash. I agree 
with Mark and Jay Hanson that there is little likelihood of preventing a 
major readjustment in the global social construct (dieoff). But I have not 
seen here any appreciation of that, nor any suggestions as to how this might 
be ameliorated, nor how the resulting recovery might look.

Destroying capitalism is a fine first step. Then what? 

Hallyx

"The life of the individual only has meaning in so far as it aids in making 
the
 life of every living thing nobler and more beautiful." ---Albert Einstein

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