Hello Hallyx,
You wrote: [I would therefore like to restate my original question: We are
at the cusp of the most important, potentially devasting and
all-encompassing change ever encountered in the history of the world. Among
them, but by no means the only concern, is the fate of civilization. Is
there anyone, with more than a parochial ideological focus, who would like
to venture a political solution beyond the destruction of capitalism?] You
castigated religious fundamentlists and those with a parochial ideological
focus from providing answer to your question. I have my fears that there are
hardly any people that are outside he said two categories. Those deny having
any ideological bias in one or the other direction are not stating truth.
And I do not also have any such claims. However, trying to be as rational as
possible regarding your concern for the fate of civilisation. I don't know
what you mean by the term "civilisation" however, I will assume its very
surface meanings, which I feel is the sum total of outputs by all members of
a group. The present day civilisation/s are in most cases on the decline. I
see one major reason for that, today human society is increasingly getting
formed on individuals as the its units, unlike nucleus family units, in the
near past that formed a society. The individuals within a family -unit among
themselves are bound together by certain natural bonds, the fillial
feelings, love of parents towards children and vice versa and the close
association between spouses mainly due to sexual attraction and the desire
to find a family. The individuals in a family unit are not in competition
aginst each other, unlike in case of today's society. Most of energies in a
family are focussed toward collective welfare. And with some efforts to
check the negative effects of nepotism the family units merged to form a
larger humn society.
The binding glue in a family, no doubt is the female, whether wife, mother
sisiter or daughter. It unites the other individuals, but when the female is
also exposed to the corrosive effects of factors outside the family they
lost the glue. Segregation of gender I assume as the main factor for a
healthier socity and the development of a civilisation.
Tariq Mahmood
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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:38 PM
Subject: [CrashList] Re: Reply to bon moun
> When I first called up this list (lo these many months ago) I was under
the
> impression that it was a politically-oriented and educated newsgroup with
an
> understanding of the environmental and energetic crises that we are now
> facing. I was soon dissuaded of that assumption.
>
> My first post was a polite and humble question: Do you guys know what's
going
> on; have you any suggestions as to how political solutions might apply?
Mark
> Smith attempted a reasonable reply, however couched in the jargon of
Marxism
> and with insufficient understanding of my environmental concerns. (This
has
> changed considerably on Mark's part.)
>
> As for the majority of the responses, I was castigated, ridiculed, called
> red-baiter and worse. Unlike Tom Warren, whose Prozac prescription seems
to
> be working splendidly, I am not one to take shit from people who know less
> than I about my areas of concern and who chose to ignore them or, because
of
> their ideology, are incapable of understanding them. Religious
> fundamentalists, too, annoy me for those very reasons.
>
> It seems that, through Tom's and a few others patient, borderline
obsequious
> ministrations, a general understanding is beginning to appear. I would
> therefore like to restate my original question: We are at the cusp of the
> most important, potentially devasting and all-encompassing change ever
> encountered in the history of the world. Among them, but by no means the
only
> concern, is the fate of civilization. Is there anyone, with more than a
> parochial ideological focus, who would like to venture a political
solution
> beyond the destruction of capitalism?
>
> I assure you I'd be the first to agree "capitalism sux." From an
biocentric
> environmentalist viewpoint, I probably hold it in lower esteem than even
many
> of the self-proclaimed Marxists here. You're going to get your wish no
matter
> how arduous or lackadaisical your effort. I merely want to know: What
next?
>
> Tom Warren has already suggested a few concrete steps: bioregionalism, to
> succor any remnant of social collapse; Earth awareness, to help ensure
> there'll be regions that might support those who survive the crash. I
agree
> with Mark and Jay Hanson that there is little likelihood of preventing a
> major readjustment in the global social construct (dieoff). But I have not
> seen here any appreciation of that, nor any suggestions as to how this
might
> be ameliorated, nor how the resulting recovery might look.
>
> Destroying capitalism is a fine first step. Then what?
>
> Hallyx
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