Julien....
<As I see it, the information has been around for a long time and has
been ignored because these are not the issues "the left" is generally
interested in and also because the messengers could often be
characterized as right-wing elitists and such. I also fear that most of
"the left" believes or used to believe in the development of productive
forces which is part of the problem. (Most of you folks know "the left"
better than I do so please correct me.)>

What is there to correct, Julien?     The Left has traditionally been
based on unions, building unions, and yet more unions.     And this
means fighting for jobs, wages, and democracy.     None of this has to
do with anything other than wanting a bigger piece of the pie, and yet
an even bigger pie to piece.

This is what accounts for the absurd near-sightedness of the traditional
Marxist Left that you and Tom continually critique.    And it is a
problem of the present, as well as a problem of the past.     Too much
faith in technology producing a better world is a cornerstone of the
traditional Left.

However, that being said, it is impossible to build a movement for
maintaining and supporting world ecological foundations, without
enlisting and transforming the traditional Marxist Leftists from their
desire to be dinosaurs.     Not an easy task, nor a very pleasant one,
neither.

Still, it is being done in bits and pieces all around the globe.

Tony










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