On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:11:16PM -0500, David Ramsey wrote: > However, there are two controversial points: all > non-poison-resistant monsters without apparent windpipes[0]
> [0] All monsters that are currently asphyxiation-resistant, leaving out > grey draconians, undead, demons, plants, non-living monsters, and > monsters that are poison-resistant: butterfly, giant eyeball, eye of > draining, giant orange brain, shining eye, eye of devastation, golden > eye, ophan, (kraken) tentacle, and (kraken) tentacle segment. Insects do have trachea, so they are just as vulnerable to airborne poisons. They do not rely on muscles to breathe, though, so curare might paralyze them but should not asphyxiate them. Tentacle _segments_ don't take air themselves, but they should suffer whatever ailments happen to the monster itself. For floating eyes, I assume them to take air via their surface, just like amphibians†and many invertebrates do. Again, if the air is tainted, they will suffer -- from poison but not asphyxiation. > and demons[1] (although not player demonspawn) will become immune to > Mephitic Cloud. The latter case could be compensated for by removing > asphyxiation resistance from demons, which would make them vulnerable to > curare; most demons' poison resistance will significantly reduce the > damage from it, and curare is a more limited resource than poison in > general. I'm not sure how to compensate for the former. Actual poison > would become more useful either way. > [1] All demonic monsters that are currently vulnerable to Mephitic Cloud > due to not being poison-resistant: hell hog, small abomination, large > abomination, hellephant, demonspawn, ufetubus, sixfirhy, orange demon, > chaos spawn, beast, Antaeus, Nellie, Geryon. Half of these are mammals who are merely demonically altered. Since they are still mostly mammals, I guess it's a safe bet to assume they should be vulnerable to whatever regular mammals are. For demons, well, we don't have them in RL so it's hard to tell anything -- but then, it's also impossible to tell it wrong as well. Since demons are generally portraited as mostly human, I'd say it's safe to assume they do breathe. This means, they shouldn't resist either airborne poison if they don't resist poison in general, nor be immune to asphyxiation. †. Amphibians do have lungs, but if you cut them out they survive just fine, but painting them without obstructing lungs makes them suffocate -- they take a vast majority of air via their skin. -- 1KB // Microsoft corollary to Hanlon's razor: // Never attribute to stupidity what can be // adequately explained by malice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 & L3. Spend less time writing and rewriting code and more time creating great experiences on the web. Be a part of the beta today. http://p.sf.net/sfu/beautyoftheweb _______________________________________________ Crawl-ref-discuss mailing list Crawl-ref-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss