On 22 January 2011 22:26, David Ploog <dpl...@mi.fu-berlin.de> wrote: >> commit 386b557d3b1dee061c2bf252446b4e2342fe4702 >> Author: Jude Brown <bookofj...@users.sourceforge.net> >> Date: Sat Jan 22 18:35:40 2011 +1000 >> >> Fix orb pickup noise when silenced. > > I absolutely love the orb noises. (I have recently overhauled the page > https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:orbrun > so that it's easier to make a plan for orb behaviour.) > > I am not sure that this last commit of Jude's necessary. Two reasons: > * The orb is the most special item in the dungeon. Let's rule that it > cannot be silenced. Gameplay-wise, this rarely matters. I see it like > this: the orb being loud even when Silence was cast is a lucky case > where we can exemplify the anomaly of the item in in-game terms.
I disagree. I know this was already discussed on IRC and I agree with the reasons brought up then, as well. If flavourful silent behaviour (like glowing and flashing) has the same result as noise, but the latter is more difficult to explain (you basically need to reflavour silence), I strongly prefer the former. > * Silence does not mean that beings are suddenly unable to hear. Rather, > it means that things suddenly make no noise anymore (this is also why > Silence wakes up everyone: the absence of all sounds is very unnatural) > -- so the orb exception would not be about beings hearing where they > usually couldn't but rather one sound source insilenceable. That's one way to read it but judging from the IRC comments hardly anyone looks at it that way. I *still* have difficulty wrapping my head around that (comparatively simple) concept and seeing how it's mostly a gimmicky effect, this violation of the suspension of disbelief is simply not necessary. For the record, I've always assumed that monsters capable of casting spells when silenced did so because they are capable of casting spells noiselessly, e.g. via gestures or superpowered brain waves, or whatever. So you could argue that the orb is capable of alerting everyone around by some kind of telepathic spell, but having it shriek through silence seems over the top. The two terms "shriek" and "silence" are a direct contradiction. Johanna ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Special Offer-- Download ArcSight Logger for FREE (a $49 USD value)! Finally, a world-class log management solution at an even better price-free! Download using promo code Free_Logger_4_Dev2Dev. Offer expires February 28th, so secure your free ArcSight Logger TODAY! http://p.sf.net/sfu/arcsight-sfd2d _______________________________________________ Crawl-ref-discuss mailing list Crawl-ref-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss
