I am obviously missing something in this discussion. The documentation we have of a planned but not executed event is the documentation of, and produced by the planning process. If the plan is executed then we have an event/activity (depending on scale) following a plan (E29). If the event has not yet taken place but still might we have a plan with no instance of its use. If the plan is abandoned then we have an activity of E55 Type: Abandonment using the plan (E29). If it is modified then we have another E29 showing features of the original E29.
If I build a 3D model based on the drawings of a building that was never built the I have an E31 that documents an E29 but the E29 was never used in an E7 Activity. So what am I missing? Yours in puzzlement SdS Stephen Stead Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013 E-mail <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] LinkedIn Profile <http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steads> http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steads From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 06 March 2012 15:09 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Retrospective and Planned Events Dear all, I can't speak for the museum community, but to return to my familiar obsessions, there are in libraries many examples of drawings, sketchbooks, etc. that document planned theatrical performances that eventually never took place. For instance, there are documents about Edward Gordon Craig's project for a mise-en-scene of Bach's Matthew Passion both at the BnF < <http://archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr/ead.html?id=FRBNFEAD000004234&c=FRBNFEAD 000004234_a181> http://archivesetmanuscrits.bnf.fr/ead.html?id=FRBNFEAD000004234&c=FRBNFEAD0 00004234_a181 > and at the University of California Los Angeles < <http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt7f59p0kd/dsc/?query=matthew;d sc.position=1#hitNum1> http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt7f59p0kd/dsc/?query=matthew;ds c.position=1#hitNum1 >, and researchers would certainly benefit from information integration. Best wishes, Patrick Message de : martin <[email protected]> 06/03/2012 14:08 Envoye par : [email protected] Pour [email protected] Copie Objet Re: [Crm-sig] Retrospective and Planned Events Dear Oeyvind, This is a use case, we have implemented at FORTH a logic with 3 time-spans as indicated below for the Germanische Nationalmuseum, but I am not sure to which degree there is an information integration need in the community at that level. I'd like to have a real user stand up and say: These are my data...there is a benefit is standardizing the interpretation... Cheers, Martin On 6/3/2012 2:51 μμ, Øyvind Eide wrote: > Dear Joao and Martin, > > I assume planned travel would be a use case, e.g., if a museum plans an expedition with a more or less specified route; then either the whole expeditions is cancelled, or the route is changed (as Amundsen's decision to go to the South Pole instead of the other one). I have no use cases connected to museum documentation, however; so it may be that it is just a theoretical possibility. > > > Kind regards, > > Øyvind Eide > Department of Digital Humanities, King's College London > Unit for Digital Documentation, University of Oslo > > Den 6. mars 2012 kl. 13:36 skrev martin: > >> Dear Joao, >> >> No evolution so far. What we miss is a relevant use case, an existing practice of documenting planned events and their >> realization, where the option is relevant that the event does not take place or is significantly different from what was planned. >> Is anyone aware of such cases? For instance, recently, I have seen a raised interest in buildings not built. More precisely, many large building projects include distinct competitive plans. 3D Modelling allows to visualize such plans. >> >> One view is to create a "Real or Future Event", which may change classification to "Real" or to "Abandoned", but the identity condition between plan and realization poses narrow limits to possible semantics. However, it deals relatively well with events that have started but not yet ended. >> >> Another view is to explicate temporal realization plans as properties of a specialization of E29: There are 3 times: >> The time-span during which the plan was maintained (intended), the time- span for which the plan was planned to be realized, >> which may change frequently , and the time the plan was regarded to be realized or not. I suspect that a sort of >> "situation semantics" as in OIO, ("ontology of information objects") might be the right thing for the realization, i.e., not an >> event in the narrower sense, but a goal-oriented condition on reality. >> >> Best, >> >> Martin >> >> On 28/2/2012 4:47 μμ, Joao Oliveira Lima wrote: >>> Dear All, >>> >>> In the message [ <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/pipermail/crm-sig/2008- September/001158.html> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/pipermail/crm-sig/2008- September/001158.html ], Martin Doerr says that would "be interesting to discuss planned events as extension of the CRM". There is any evolution in this direction? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Joao Alberto de Oliveira Lima >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Crm-sig mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | >> Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | >> | Email: >> [email protected] >> | >> | >> Center for Cultural Informatics | >> Information Systems Laboratory | >> Institute of Computer Science | >> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | >> | >> N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | >> GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | >> | >> Web-site: >> <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl> http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl >> | >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> [email protected] >> <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | | Email: [email protected] | | Center for Cultural Informatics | Information Systems Laboratory | Institute of Computer Science | Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | | N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | | Web-site: <http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl> http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | -------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list [email protected] <http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig _____ Exposition Miniatures flamandes <http://www.bnf.fr/fr/evenements_et_culture/anx_expositions/f.miniatures_fla mandes_bnf.html> - jusqu'au 10 juin 2012 - BnF - Francois-Mitterrand Avant d'imprimer, pensez a l'environnement. =
