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Dr Matthew Stiff 19 Riverside Road Oxford OX2 0HT (t) +44 (0)1865 425982 (m) +44 (0)7939 151510 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stephen Stead Sent: 05 July 2012 11:00 To: 'Vladimir Alexiev'; crm-sig Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: P62 needs a parent and a sibling Vladimir Just trying to understand the problem a little more. Could you give a couple of examples of the physical object being about a person or event where the "aboutness" is not a depiction? Without specific examples my suspicion is that there is a conceptual object that is "about" something and that is being carried by the physical object but I want to be sure that this covers the cases that you are seeing. Rgds SdS Stephen Stead Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013 E-mail [email protected] LinkedIn Profile http://uk.linkedin.com/in/steads -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vladimir Alexiev Sent: 05 July 2012 08:55 To: [email protected] Cc: 'Joshan Mahmud' Subject: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: P62 needs a parent and a sibling There's a variety of "aboutness" properties of Conceptual objects, a total of 5. They are subproperties of P67, and in particular 2 more specific sub-properties are used often: P129, P138. In contrast, there's only 1 "aboutness" property of Physical objects: P62. It is a shortcut of P138 through E36_Visual_Item. So looking at the property hierarchy http://personal.sirma.bg/vladimir/crm/entity_list_cleaned.html#property-hier archy (scroll 2p down) and putting the Conceptual and Physical (domain) side by side, we see these gaps, denoted ???: Conceptual Physical P67_refers_to ??? - P129_is_about ??? - P138_represents P62_depicts In the BM database there are many instances where a physical object refers to something (person, event) or is about something, but the nature of this reference is not visual. In such cases we'd like to use physical analogs of P67,P129 but currently we need to create a "parasitic" conceptual node so as to satisfy the Domain restriction. (Or let the physical object also be a conceptual object, with a P128_carries self-loop, a practice I've been criticised for). So I think it would be useful to create a parent and sibling of P62, that can serve as shortcuts of P67 and P129 respectively. Cheers! Vladimir _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
