Hi Discussions can be clearifying. With respect to coins and other symbols/representations of value. In the Middle Ages, the value of farms in Norway was listed as volume units of butter and so as estimated taxation of farms, the Great Plague (mid-14th century) changed this system, . In early modern time the value was expressed in cow skins. The naturalia were not used as currency but as abstract indicators of value. Thus coins, banknotes, shells, cacao beans and whatnot can be used as money. This is not the concern of the discussion.
We apparently agree that coins and banknotes are mass produced objects and especially medals and banknotes can carry images that are pieces of art or at least artistic expressions that are subject to IPR legislation. These rights have of course to be sorted out and bought before bank notes are produced and put in circulation (Hitler by the way got quite a lot of his income form the use of his portrait on German stamps). See also http://snohetta.com/project/200-norways-new-banknotes . The scope note I referred to was the scope note of E3 Expression mentioning that an image can be an expression. The main point of disagreement seems to be whether F3 Manifestation Product Type can be used in connection with the production of coins (and other mass produced objects). The scope note of F3 Manifestation Product Type( see below). The very first sentence limit the scope " This class comprises the definitions of publication products." I have no problem to accept that a bicycle, a car, a backpack and a coin are not "publication products". There are of course borderline cases like a milk carton with a printed text (e.g. a cartoon) on it. I also accept that stamps and bank notes are in best (worst) cases such a borderline case. The F3 Manifestation Product Type is a sub type of E55 Type. The rights to " definitions of publication product" are regulated by IPR legislations etc. Thus F3 Manifestation Product Type is a sub type of E72 Legal Object. CIDOC CRM does not have a class for the design of things. E29 Design or Procedure is an (sub class of ) information object " This class comprises documented plans for the execution of actions in order to achieve a result of a specific quality, form or contents. In particular it comprises plans for deliberate human activities that may result in the modification or production of instances of E24 Physical Thing". There is a gap here. Maybe CIDOC CRM should be extended with a class called Design which is a sub class of E55 Type and a subclass og E72 Legal Object. In addition one will need some new properties . F3 Manifestation Product Type could then be a sub class of this new class. C-E F3 Manifestation Product Type: This class comprises the definitions of publication products. An instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type is the "species", and all copies of a given object are "specimens" of it. An instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type defines all of the features or traits that instances of F5 Item normally display in order that they may be recognised as copies of a particular publication. However, due to production problems or subsequent events, one or more instances of F5 Item may not exhibit all these features or traits; yet such instances still retain their relationship to the same instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type. The features that characterise a given instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type include: one instance of F24 Publication Expression, containing one or more than one instance of F2 Expression, reflecting the authors' content of the manifestation and all additional input by the publisher; and the appropriate types of physical features for that form of the object. For example, hardcover and paperback are two distinct publications (i.e. two distinct instances of F3 Manifestation Product Type) even though authorial and editorial content are otherwise identical in both publications. The activity of cataloguing aims at the most accurate listing of features or traits of an instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type that are sufficient to distinguish it from another instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type.
