I agree that a "Currency Product Type" shoud (also) be a subclass of E72 Legal Object. Not necessary for IPR reasons: I'm sure there are specific laws concerning currency :-)
Dan On 23 November 2014 at 18:45, martin <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Christian-Emil > > Please indicate a scope note for what you mean by "design". My first > interpretation > would be something like a "series product type" or "mass product type" or > so. > > Best, > > Martin > > > On 23/11/2014 4:58 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote: > >> Hi >> Discussions can be clearifying. With respect to coins and other >> symbols/representations of value. In the Middle Ages, the value of farms >> in Norway was listed as volume units of butter and so as estimated taxation >> of farms, the Great Plague (mid-14th century) changed this system, . In >> early modern time the value was expressed in cow skins. The naturalia were >> not used as currency but as abstract indicators of value. Thus coins, >> banknotes, shells, cacao beans and whatnot can be used as money. This is >> not the concern of the discussion. >> >> We apparently agree that coins and banknotes are mass produced objects >> and especially medals and banknotes can carry images that are pieces of art >> or at least artistic expressions that are subject to IPR legislation. These >> rights have of course to be sorted out and bought before bank notes are >> produced and put in circulation (Hitler by the way got quite a lot of his >> income form the use of his portrait on German stamps). See also >> http://snohetta.com/project/200-norways-new-banknotes . >> >> The scope note I referred to was the scope note of E3 Expression >> mentioning that an image can be an expression. The main point of >> disagreement seems to be whether F3 Manifestation Product Type can be used >> in connection with the production of coins (and other mass produced >> objects). The scope note of F3 Manifestation Product Type( see below). The >> very first sentence limit the scope " This class comprises the definitions >> of publication products." I have no problem to accept that a bicycle, a >> car, a backpack and a coin are not "publication products". There are of >> course borderline cases like a milk carton with a printed text (e.g. a >> cartoon) on it. I also accept that stamps and bank notes are in best >> (worst) cases such a borderline case. >> >> The F3 Manifestation Product Type is a sub type of E55 Type. The rights >> to " definitions of publication product" are regulated by IPR >> legislations etc. Thus F3 Manifestation Product Type is a sub type of E72 >> Legal Object. >> >> CIDOC CRM does not have a class for the design of things. E29 Design or >> Procedure is an (sub class of ) information object " This class comprises >> documented plans for the execution of actions in order to achieve a result >> of a specific quality, form or contents. In particular it comprises plans >> for deliberate human activities that may result in the modification or >> production of instances of E24 Physical Thing". There is a gap here. Maybe >> CIDOC CRM should be extended with a class called Design which is a sub >> class of E55 Type and a subclass og E72 Legal Object. In addition one will >> need some new properties . F3 Manifestation Product Type could then be a >> sub class of this new class. >> >> C-E >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> F3 Manifestation Product Type: >> This class comprises the definitions of publication products. >> An instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type is the "species", and all >> copies of a given object are "specimens" of it. An instance of F3 >> Manifestation Product Type defines all of the features or traits that >> instances of F5 Item normally display in order that they may be recognised >> as copies of a particular publication. However, due to production problems >> or subsequent events, one or more instances of F5 Item may not exhibit all >> these features or traits; yet such instances still retain their >> relationship to the same instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type. >> >> The features that characterise a given instance of F3 Manifestation >> Product Type include: one instance of F24 Publication Expression, >> containing one or more than one instance of F2 Expression, reflecting the >> authors' content of the manifestation and all additional input by the >> publisher; and the appropriate types of physical features for that form of >> the object. For example, hardcover and paperback are two distinct >> publications (i.e. two distinct instances of F3 Manifestation Product Type) >> even though authorial and editorial content are otherwise identical in both >> publications. The activity of cataloguing aims at the most accurate listing >> of features or traits of an instance of F3 Manifestation Product Type that >> are sufficient to distinguish it from another instance of F3 Manifestation >> Product Type. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Crm-sig mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig >> >> > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr. Martin Doerr | Vox:+30(2810)391625 | > Research Director | Fax:+30(2810)391638 | > | Email: [email protected] | > | > Center for Cultural Informatics | > Information Systems Laboratory | > Institute of Computer Science | > Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) | > | > N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton, | > GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece | > | > Web-site: http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl | > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Matei Institutul Național al Patrimoniului (National Heritage Institute) - București Fundația Gellu Naum TermRom - Asociația Română de Terminologie
