The definition of Collection possibly overly restrictive, even from an
archival point of view.

An collection of records will probably have  been assembled by a different
agent to the curator; materials may be discarded as "not archival", but if
the fonds gets respect, the curator is not free to do much assembling.

It is possible to finesse this by a sufficiently broad reading of "plan",
but it seems as if the roles of assembling curating/preserving are
intrinsically linked in the CRM (I ought to take a look at the old EAD
mapping) .

Simon
 On Nov 29, 2014 3:32 PM, "Stephen Stead" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Martin
>
> The problem probably lies in the word “Collection”! Everyone reads that
> and thinks that the defining characteristic is the act of collecting rather
> than the true differentiator which is the curation.
>
> Perhaps changing the name to “E78 Curated Set” would solve the problem.
> Nobody would know what it meant and so would read the scope note!!!!
>
> TTFN
>
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> *From:* Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *
> martin
> *Sent:* 29 November 2014 19:07
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [Crm-sig] A hoard as crm:E78_Collection ?
>
>
>
> Continuing:
>
> I don't know, why E78 Collection attracts so much attention. The scope
> note of
> E19 Physical Object says:
>
> "The class also includes all aggregates of objects made for functional
> purposes of whatever kind, independent of physical coherence, such as a set
> of chessmen. Typically, instances of E19 Physical Object can be moved (if
> not too heavy)."
>
>
> The CRM is not a terminological system to classify things. It is made to
> provide relevant properties. We should only use a more specific class, if
> we expect the respective additional  properties to be relevant for
> querying. To say that an E19 "has type: Hoard" should be enough. Only if
> we want to specify a curator and an E87 Curation Activity with a curation
> plan, using E78 Collection would be adequate. The less classes we use, the
> more effective the queries.
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> On 29/11/2014 2:45 μμ, Christian-Emil Smith Ore wrote:
>
> In the case a curator in a museum buries his collection, a hoard may be 
> considered as as a collection. The collection class is intended for museum 
> collections, see the examples in the scope note.
>
>
>
> C-E
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Crm-sig [mailto:[email protected] 
> <[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Dan Matei
>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:30 PM
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Subject: [Crm-sig] A hoard as crm:E78_Collection ?
>
>
>
> Friends
>
>
>
> I have to say that a particular coin is a member of a particular hoard. I 
> googled
>
> to see how others are dealing with that, but...
>
>
>
> I'm tempted to:
>
>
>
> <coin> <crm:P46i_forms_part_of> <hoard>
>
>
>
> <hoard> <rdf:type> <crm:E78_Collection>
>
>
>
> abusing a bit the E78 scope note:
>
>
>
> "This class comprises aggregations of instances of E18 Physical Thing that are
>
> assembled and maintained (“curated” and “preserved,” in museological
>
> terminology) by one or more instances of E39 Actor over time for a specific
>
> purpose and audience, and according to a particular collection development
>
> plan."
>
>
>
>
>
> The "... according to a particular collection development plan." troubles me.
>
> Can we say that the guy burying a hoard had a "collection development plan" ?
>
>
>
> There is a better practice for modelling that ?
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> PS. Not to mention that I would like to associate the discovery event with the
>
> hoard, not with the coin.
>
>
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