Dear Martin, very clear, thanks. Just a bit nineteen-century-ish: what about digital libraries and digital curation, which does not concern curating the servers (or the Cloud) on which their instances of E28 reside? It seems that they are beyond the (current) scope of the CRM, what sounds a bit paradoxical, but nevertheless perfectly logical.
Best Franco, the Jiminy Cricket Prof. Franco Niccolucci Director, VAST-LAB PIN - U. of Florence Scientific Coordinator ARIADNE - PARTHENOS Piazza Ciardi 25 59100 Prato, Italy > Il giorno 06 feb 2016, alle ore 20:13, martin <[email protected]> ha > scritto: > > Dear Franco, > > As an explanation what has been discussed in the meeting: > Librarians talk about "holdings" wrt to library contents. > It means the physical copies. Therefore they are physical. So, there is a > good practice of the term there, > which actually motivated the proposal. > > The argument why we have modelled collections as physical things, regardless > the intentional content: > The video games, in order to be in a collection, must be represented by > physical copies. > If we would disregard the physical nature of the copy, we could not talk > about location and destruction. > This is also the sense how libraries distinguish holdings from content. > > Would that make sense? > > All the best, > > Martin > > On 6/2/2016 5:38 μμ, Franco Niccolucci wrote: >> Not a vote, but an amateur comment. >> >> -> Collection vs Curated Holdings >> Of course. There are “collections" of things which are not curated, just an >> assemblage of stuff. Like some old objects I have which I call my collection >> of old computational instruments, but according to the qualified opinion of >> my wife is just a dust attractor. >> >> But, what about a collection (oops, curated holdings) of videogames like the >> one of the National Videogame Museum of Frisco, TX, USA >> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videogame_History_Museum)? It seems that what >> they collect (oops, “curate and hold”) forms a collection of E28 Conceptual >> Object rather than E18 Physical Thing. >> >> Possibly defining E78 as a curated assemblage of instances of E72 Legal >> Object or, maybe even better, of E70 Thing (in some cases rights may be >> difficult to ascertain as in the examples below), would reconcile the CRM >> with the curators of the Frisco museum; and also simplify life to the >> curators of the Museo Officina Profumo from the Old Pharmacy of Santa Maria >> Novella in Florence, which I hope you will be able to visit when you come >> here for the next CRM meeting, as well as to their colleagues of the Musèe >> International du Perfum of Grasse, France. Is fragrance a Physical Thing? >> What about the exhibitions for visually impaired people consisting in a >> garden where they smell the scent of different flowers along the visit? >> >> -> Holding vs holdings >> My knowledge of English is even more superficial than my knowledge of the >> CRM, so my opinion is not so qualified. It seems to me that “holdings” is >> used here in the plural as a collective noun, and not as the result of >> putting together one individual “holding" with another one and another one >> and so on, as a genuine plural; it is unfortunately written in the plural, >> what makes pluralizing it a bit awkward if one wants to keep the “holdings" >> distinct from each other, as Werner has pointed out. Not only: it makes >> difficult to express indefiniteness as when using the indefinite article “a” >> to indicate “one of a series", like in the second sentence of this email >> where I was in trouble being unable to call it “a curated holdings” as “a” >> cannot go with “holdings”. So what would be the correct way of expressing >> the equivalent of “a collection” i.e. one instance whatever of the class >> “curated holdings”? Wouldn't the sentence "Is_A curated_holdings” describing >> a future subclass of E78 sound strange? >> >> Finally, holdings is a synonym of property, according to my Oxford >> dictionary, which is not the case if the objects forming the collection >> (oops, holdings) are just deposited, on lean, or illegally/controversially >> detained. There are famous examples of the latter. >> >> So I would prefer “curated set” or better “curated assemblage”, being “set" >> a very generic term not incorporating the concept of intentionality. >> >> Anyway, this concern about a name is not so important: that which we call a >> rose, by any other name would smell as sweet. More important is, in my >> opinion, the issue concerning E18 vs E28 => E72/E70 to characterize the >> components of E78, as noted above. >> >> Looking forward to meet you here, >> >> Franco >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Prof. Franco Niccolucci >> Director, VAST-LAB >> PIN - U. of Florence >> Scientific Coordinator >> ARIADNE - PARTHENOS >> >> Piazza Ciardi 25 >> 59100 Prato, Italy >> >> >> >>> Il giorno 05 feb 2016, alle ore 12:19, Chryssoula Bekiari >>> <[email protected]> ha scritto: >>> >>> Dear All >>> >>> In the last meeting, the crm-sig meeting decided to vote for the name of >>> E78 Collection (issue 270). The proposal is to rename the E78 Collection to >>> E78 Curated Holdings >>> >>> Please vote >>> >>> Chryssoula >>> >>> -- >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Chryssoula Bekiari >>> Research and Development Engineer >>> >>> Center for Cultural Informatics / Information Systems Laboratory >>> Institute of Computer Science >>> Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) >>> >>> N. 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