Dear Franco,
May be I confused you: by physical copies in the CRM we do not mean on
paper. We mean any material
carrier, which implies computer discs, albeit somewhere in the Cloud
only the provider knows (but someone
must know it).
Badly enough, this is not in the collection scope note. It is only
implicit in the information carrier.
I propose to adapt the scope note of E78. The issue was modelled in more
detail in FRBRoo, but not transferred
back into the CRM.
Would we agree now :-) ?
Martin
E84 Information Carrier
Subclass of:E22 <#_E22_Man-Made_Object> Man-Made Object
Scope note:This class comprises all instances of E22 Man-Made Object
that are explicitly designed to act as persistent physical carriers for
instances of E73 Information Object.
An E84 Information Carrier may or may not contain information, e.g., a
diskette. Note that any E18 Physical Thing may carry information, such
as an E34 Inscription. However, unless it was specifically designed for
this purpose, it is not an Information Carrier. Therefore the property
/P128 carries (is carried by)/ applies to E18 Physical Thing in general.
Examples:
§the Rosetta Stone
§my paperback copy of Crime & Punishment
§the computer disk at ICS-FORTH that stores the canonical Definition of
the CIDOC CRM
On 7/2/2016 11:42 πμ, Franco Niccolucci wrote:
Dear Martin,
very clear, thanks. Just a bit nineteen-century-ish: what about digital
libraries and digital curation, which does not concern curating the servers (or
the Cloud) on which their instances of E28 reside?
It seems that they are beyond the (current) scope of the CRM, what sounds a bit
paradoxical, but nevertheless perfectly logical.
Best
Franco, the Jiminy Cricket
Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy
Il giorno 06 feb 2016, alle ore 20:13, martin <[email protected]> ha scritto:
Dear Franco,
As an explanation what has been discussed in the meeting:
Librarians talk about "holdings" wrt to library contents.
It means the physical copies. Therefore they are physical. So, there is a good
practice of the term there,
which actually motivated the proposal.
The argument why we have modelled collections as physical things, regardless
the intentional content:
The video games, in order to be in a collection, must be represented by
physical copies.
If we would disregard the physical nature of the copy, we could not talk about
location and destruction.
This is also the sense how libraries distinguish holdings from content.
Would that make sense?
All the best,
Martin
On 6/2/2016 5:38 μμ, Franco Niccolucci wrote:
Not a vote, but an amateur comment.
-> Collection vs Curated Holdings
Of course. There are “collections" of things which are not curated, just an
assemblage of stuff. Like some old objects I have which I call my collection of old
computational instruments, but according to the qualified opinion of my wife is just
a dust attractor.
But, what about a collection (oops, curated holdings) of videogames like the
one of the National Videogame Museum of Frisco, TX, USA
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videogame_History_Museum)? It seems that what
they collect (oops, “curate and hold”) forms a collection of E28 Conceptual
Object rather than E18 Physical Thing.
Possibly defining E78 as a curated assemblage of instances of E72 Legal Object
or, maybe even better, of E70 Thing (in some cases rights may be difficult to
ascertain as in the examples below), would reconcile the CRM with the curators
of the Frisco museum; and also simplify life to the curators of the Museo
Officina Profumo from the Old Pharmacy of Santa Maria Novella in Florence,
which I hope you will be able to visit when you come here for the next CRM
meeting, as well as to their colleagues of the Musèe International du Perfum of
Grasse, France. Is fragrance a Physical Thing? What about the exhibitions for
visually impaired people consisting in a garden where they smell the scent of
different flowers along the visit?
-> Holding vs holdings
My knowledge of English is even more superficial than my knowledge of the CRM, so my opinion is not
so qualified. It seems to me that “holdings” is used here in the plural as a collective noun, and
not as the result of putting together one individual “holding" with another one and another
one and so on, as a genuine plural; it is unfortunately written in the plural, what makes
pluralizing it a bit awkward if one wants to keep the “holdings" distinct from each other, as
Werner has pointed out. Not only: it makes difficult to express indefiniteness as when using the
indefinite article “a” to indicate “one of a series", like in the second sentence of this
email where I was in trouble being unable to call it “a curated holdings” as “a” cannot go with
“holdings”. So what would be the correct way of expressing the equivalent of “a collection” i.e.
one instance whatever of the class “curated holdings”? Wouldn't the sentence "Is_A
curated_holdings” describing a future subclass of E78 sound strange?
Finally, holdings is a synonym of property, according to my Oxford dictionary,
which is not the case if the objects forming the collection (oops, holdings)
are just deposited, on lean, or illegally/controversially detained. There are
famous examples of the latter.
So I would prefer “curated set” or better “curated assemblage”, being “set" a
very generic term not incorporating the concept of intentionality.
Anyway, this concern about a name is not so important: that which we call a rose,
by any other name would smell as sweet. More important is, in my opinion, the
issue concerning E18 vs E28 => E72/E70 to characterize the components of E78,
as noted above.
Looking forward to meet you here,
Franco
Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
Scientific Coordinator
ARIADNE - PARTHENOS
Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy
Il giorno 05 feb 2016, alle ore 12:19, Chryssoula Bekiari
<[email protected]> ha scritto:
Dear All
In the last meeting, the crm-sig meeting decided to vote for the name of E78
Collection (issue 270). The proposal is to rename the E78 Collection to E78
Curated Holdings
Please vote
Chryssoula
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