Dear All,
I think this is quite overstretching what an activity is. Of course we
can make quick and dirty use of any class. I cannot imagine, how an "All
Tango Performances" could be associated with a clear identity, unity and
distinction from others. This would mean that any type of activity
becomes an activity, isn't it? All specializations and generalizations
would then be identical with part-of of activities?
How would you then give an account of different strands of such
traditions? This model virtually denies evolution and variation. I think
that needs serious thought and a model which provides a much subtler
relation between an idea, its execution and its evolution.
Note, that any type is a Conceptual Object. Creating Tango as an E55
Type is a creation. I'd suggest to look at the new properties connecting
Types with periods in which they appear. The challenge is, for me, not
to provide a place to say "Tango is here", but to relate individual
activities, performances, music, fashions, costumes etc along lines of
evolution, variation and cross-fertalization.
Best,
Martin
On 3/9/2023 6:33 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote:
I'm posting the following response text from Steve because the mailing
list software tosses his messages out:
Just a quick thought.
As you mention a set of individual performances (E7 Activities) you
could say that the individual performances (E7 Activity: performance
of Tango on particular day/time and at a particular place) P9i/forms
part of/a master E7 Activity (All Tango Performances).
E7 Activity (All Tango Performances) P16/used specific object/E28
Conceptual Object(Intangible Heritage of the Tango).
E7 Activity (All Tango Performances) P14/carried out by/E39
Actor(Tango Community)
You could also say:
E28 Conceptual Object(Intangible Heritage of the Tango) P94i/was
created by/E65 Creation P14/carried out by/E39 Actor(Tango Community)
This would make the community both the creator and performer of the
intangible heritage: which I believe is the current "best practice".
The timespan of the creation is of course open-ended as these are
"living" traditions.
HTH
SdS
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:57 PM George Bruseker
<george@takin.solutions> wrote:
I'd use the term 'forms of life' instead of 'intangible heritage'.
Then the likely closest CRM concept is E5 Event, at least if
you want to be able to associate to actors in any direct way.
E5 Event "Tango" p11 had participant E74 Group.
Probably to be more expressive one would need an extension for
social life!
On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 3:18 PM Christian-Emil Smith Ore via
Crm-sig <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote:
It is a good question. Also note that documentation of
intangible cultural heritage is in most cases ttangible.
According to UNESCO intangible cultural heritage is defined as
Article 2 – Definitions
For the purposes of this Convention,
1. The “intangible cultural heritage” means the practices,
representations, expressions, knowledge, skills – as well as
the instruments, objects, artefacts and cultural spaces
associated therewith – that communities, groups and, in some
cases, individuals recognize as part of their cultural
heritage. This intangible cultural heritage, transmitted from
generation to generation, is constantly recreated by
communities and groups in response to their environment, their
interaction with nature and their history, and provides them
with a sense of identity and continuity, thus promoting
respect for cultural diversity and human creativity. For the
purposes of this Convention, consideration will be given
solely to such intangible cultural heritage as is compatible
with existing international human rights instruments, as well
as with the requirements of mutual respect among communities,
groups and individuals, and of sustainable development.
2. The “intangible cultural heritage”, as defined in paragraph
1 above, is manifested inter alia in the following domains:
(a) oral traditions and expressions, including language as a
vehicle of the intangible cultural heritage;
(b) performing arts;
(c) social practices, rituals and festive events;
(d) knowledge and practices concerning nature and the universe;
(e) traditional craftsmanship.
Best,
Christian-Emil
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of
Franco Niccolucci via Crm-sig <crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>
*Sent:* 09 March 2023 14:54
*To:* crm-sig
*Subject:* [Crm-sig] Relation between E28 Conceptual Object
and E74 Group
In the UNESCO List of World Intangible Heritage many items (=
E28 Conceptual Object) are referred to specific gatherings of
people - commonly named “communities” in everyday's language -
such as:
Tango -> Argentina & Uruguay
Rebetiko -> Greece
Opera dei pupi (puppet theatre) -> Italy (Sicily)
These geographic names in reality mean the people, the
inhabitants (maybe not all of them): Argentinians, Uruguayos,
Greeks, Sicilians i.e. the social groups who are the
custodians/performers of these traditions.
So two classes are involved
1) The group (Argentinians, Greeks, etc.) = E39 Actor
2) The conceptual object representing the intangible heritage
(Tango, Rebetiko, etc.) = E28 Conceptual Object
Note that intangibile heritage is NOT an activity, it is the
abstraction of a set of activities and the way in which they
are traditionally performed, which manifests through
events/activities i.e. individual performances.
Which property - if any - can be used to relate such E39
Actors to the corresponding E28?
Thank you for any help on the above.
Franco
Prof. Franco Niccolucci
Director, VAST-LAB
PIN - U. of Florence
President, ARIADNE Research Infrastructure AISBL
Chief Technology Officer 4CH
Editor-in-Chief
ACM Journal of Computing and Cultural Heritage (JOCCH)
Piazza Ciardi 25
59100 Prato, Italy
_______________________________________________
Crm-sig mailing list
Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
_______________________________________________
Crm-sig mailing list
Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
_______________________________________________
Crm-sig mailing list
Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
--
------------------------------------
Dr. Martin Doerr
Honorary Head of the
Center for Cultural Informatics
Information Systems Laboratory
Institute of Computer Science
Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton,
GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece
Vox:+30(2810)391625
Email:mar...@ics.forth.gr
Web-site:http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl
_______________________________________________
Crm-sig mailing list
Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr
http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig
