> "The one that does the job decides!" Indeed, but the rest of that quote is "and accepts consequences for those decisions".
I do not believe that the broad community is disinterested in helping 4.x in reaching maturity. This thread and others like it are simply a call to slow down and to do this more safely. It would not be wise for the platform team to disregard these calls. - Konstantin -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aleksandar Kurtakov Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 4:02 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2 ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephan Herrmann" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:40:02 PM > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Performance, 3.8 versus 4.2 > > On 09/06/2012 08:23 AM, Thomas Hallgren wrote: > > Introducing a new platform undoubtedly consumes a lot of resources. > > Doing that anyway (and as the only viable alternative), well aware > > that those resources were scarce and that the new platform had > > inferior performance, and then blame the community for not helping, > > that doesn't fly well with me. > > Maybe the problem is, "the community" isn't quite as homogeneous as we > keep thinking. 3.8 vs. 4.2 is a conflict of interests between > different groups of people. > > If you are part of the group that only sees regressions not a single > improvement in 4.2, it's difficult to get motivated helping those > other guys getting their baby up to speed. Of course those who greatly > benefit from the new architecture don't want to get slowed down by > "legacy" decisions. > > Lets call one group the IDE nerds and the other group the e4-RCP > folks. > As a thought experiment: are the e4-RCP folks strong enough in > resources to make 4.3 a replacement that will not get into faces of > the IDE nerds? What about e4-RCP folks outnumber the IDE nerds significantly (amongst active contributors) so it's there call. "The one that does the job decides!" Alexander Kurtakov Red Hat Eclipse team > > I don't know the answer, but I feel the answer differs depending on > whether you focus on functionality, bugs, performance or usability. > > Yes, we are still one community, and I'm not advocating fences and > boundaries, but helping each other seems to work best when cost and > benefits are equally balanced in all regions of this community. > > > > On 09/06/2012 07:06 AM, Pascal Rapicault wrote: > > But more importantly than all this is the meta conclusion that the > > era of being able to take the platform for granted is over and > > that > we are all going to have to pay more attention to it, roll up > our > sleeves and contribute. > > I'd like to second this. No part of the entire ecosystem can be taken > for granted, not the platform, not jdt, not p2, nor the team > providers. > All components need continued care and everybody needs help (no > sarcasm intended, in case anyone wonders). > > cheers, > Stephan > > PS: Great to see efforts to bring performance tests back! Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > cross-project-issues-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev > _______________________________________________ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list [email protected] https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev _______________________________________________ cross-project-issues-dev mailing list [email protected] https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/cross-project-issues-dev
