On 10:50 PM 06/24/02 -0700, Kristian Hoffmann said...

>Look into getting the spring kit for the rear drums.  There are 4-5
>springs per side that can snap if they're really old.  Make sure you have
>a good set of needle nose plyers and a shop manual.  Besides that, do one
>side at a time.  There are a lot of little pieces that just fall out when
>you unload the springs and guessing where they go is no fun at all.
>
>-Kristian
>
>On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > im no mech....so here it goes....i bought the shoes but nothing 
> more....i was
> > planning on buying some brake fluid, bleeding the brakes and replacing the
> > fluid...but besides that im in the dark....anything else i NEED to get 
> while
> > im doing this????
> >
> > thanks ronnie
> > 88 si
> >


Kristian makes a very good recommendation.  Whenever I did a "brake job" on 
my past cars, I would also get the "rebuild" kit which was basically the 
items that Kristian listed.  There's also a drum brake tool which is 
suppose to help with pulling the springs but I found that using basic 
leverage with a flat blade screw driver works just as well.  There has been 
times where I've had to use both a flat blade and a pair of pliers to pull 
a spring just a quarter inch.  :^P

I've never done a CRX rear drum brake before but I can't see it being all 
that exotic from some of the past cars I've done.  I don't recall if yours 
has the adjusting star (on our Audi 4000, it was self adjusting which was 
really sweet ~ drive forward a few feet, depress the brakes lightly, drive 
backwards and depress the brakes lightly and repeat this about three times 
and increase the braking pressure each time and you're done...).  If you do 
have an adjusting star (or something similar) be sure to adjust it as per 
the service manual.

Another area to look into replacing would be the brake cylinders.  These 
are little pistons which actually move the shoes outwards towards to drum 
surface.  If there are any signs of leakage or if they are not operating 
properly (i.e.: Not extending out far enough, sticking or not retracting 
back) then replace them at this point.  I don't know what they normally 
sell for but I can't image they're all that much, $25 (USD) or so would be 
my guess.

I would also check the condition of your rear brake lines.  If they look 
worn, replace them now.  Again, if you can swing the cost of stainless 
steel lines, go for it.  However, since it's the rears, it's probably won't 
provide that much added braking performance other than it's overall 
longevity (and they look cool too...).  Now, I have been told by other 
Honda CRX owners (with stock rear drums) who have upgraded their rear lines 
to the stainless steel ones who have said that they did feel a more 
positive feel at the pedal.

And as for the replacing of the fluid... if you're thinking about doing a 
flush of the system and refilling it, this can be a major chore and if you 
don't do it properly you can damage your master cylinder via the 
plunger.  It can also be a very LONG process.  The best way to get the old 
fluid out of the system is to *blow* it out using an air compressor.  But 
you have be careful when doing so.  Most air compressors have oil in them 
(to keep the tools and attachments from rusting) and you DON'T want that in 
your brake lines!  Some air compressors will cool the lines and water 
condensation can occur inside the line ~ again, something you DON'T want in 
your brake lines.  You can use the master cylinder to pump the fluid out it 
won't be able to pump it all out (and you run the risk of damaging the 
master cylinder).

My advice, if you still want to flush the system, is to pay your local 
brake shoppe.  FWIW, I do (and have done) this with ALL of my cars.  I do 
this every two years (the same time I do the coolant flush and 
re-fill).  My local brake shoppe charges me a modest fee of $50 (USD) to 
perform this service.


Robert K. Kuhn
CRX Owners Group President (http://www.crx.org/southcal)

1990 Honda CRXsi (http://drive.to/jiggy)
ICQ # 3714283 (nickname: godzilla)

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