At 7:10 PM -0700 8/19/09, james hughes wrote:
>On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
>>I understand that "creaking" is not a technical cryptography term, but 
>>"certainly" is. When do we become "certain" that devastating attacks on one 
>>feature of hash functions (collision resistance) have any effect at all on 
>>even weak attacks on a different feature (either first or second preimages)?
>>
>>This is a serious question. Has anyone seen any research that took some of 
>>the excellent research on collision resistance and used it directly for 
>>preimage attacks, even with greatly reduced rounds?
>
>This is being done. What Perry said.


At 9:02 PM -0700 8/19/09, Greg Rose wrote:
>Not directly, as far as I know. But some research and success on preimages, 
>yes.

Getting a straight answer on whether or not the recent preimage work is 
actually related to the earlier collision work would be useful.


--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium

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