On 2013-06-30, at 9:40 AM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nadim Kobeissi: >> >> On 2013-06-29, at 11:48 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Natanael: >>>> I'm not seeing that many options though. The Phantom project died >>>> pretty fast; https://code.google.com/p/phantom/ >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/phantom-protocol >>>> http://phantom-anon.blogspot.se/ >>>> >>>> So who's out there developing any useful protocols for >>>> anonymization today? *Anybody*? Could we try to start a new >>>> project (if needed) to create one? (I would like one with at >>>> least the same level of functionality as I2P, even if it would >>>> have to have a very different architecture.) >>> >>> I guess you might be interested in this project called Tor? A few >>> of us have spent a decade working on it: >>> >>> https://www.torproject.org/ >> >> There should be a disclaimer somewhere that Tor is a competitor to >> I2P, is far from perfect itself (actually has a few glaring >> weaknesses, such as exit nodes), and the guy critiquing I2P works for >> Tor. >> > > Ha. There isn't a competition. This isn't zero sum. > > We're all interested in similar goals and in some cases, the designs are > totally different and for good reason. Also, the security properties and > reviews of claims have different results. > > I didn't just critique i2p offhand because I work on Tor - which I > disclosed by saying "a few of us have spent a decade working on it" - I > linked to a paper that broke it! > >> I'm a Tor supporter personally, but those things should be >> clarified! >> > > Read my email more carefully next time. I specifically encouraged > experimentation in a way that seems reasonably safe: There's no need to be so patronizing — I'm aware that you recommended TAILS (which is also a Tor project). NK > >>> >>> I'd suggest if you want to experiment with Tor and i2p, to try >>> Tails: >>> >>> https://tails.boum.org > > All the best, > Jacob > > _______________________________________________ > cryptography mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography _______________________________________________ cryptography mailing list [email protected] http://lists.randombit.net/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
