Just for clarification: When we say 3rd party "clients", what are we talking about? Third-party server-list browsers/query tools? Certainly not things like the CS:GO game client or TF2 game client (etc.)?
When we say "server-side plugins", what are we talking about? SourceMod plug-ins? off the top of my head, I can not think of any SourceMod plug-in that does anything with the server list. Maybe a plug-in that manages "tags"? Thanks, - W On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:56 AM Fletcher Dunn - fletcherd at valvesoftware.com (via csgo_servers list) < csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com> wrote: > >Switching from the padding method to the challenge method is just pushing > the burden > >of change to another set of people. You will break countless middleware > that depend on it like this: > >https://github.com/blastehh/SourceQueryCacheMono and requiring stateful > firewalls to block a2sinfo spam. > > It should be clear to the readers of this mailing list who understood the > new proposal that this has the situation exactly backwards. The updated > client that shipped yesterday behaves exactly as it always has, until the > server changes its behavior. The initial padding plan broke existing > deployments because some deployments assume the client will have very > specific behaviour. With the new plan, server-side plugins will continue > to work until the server operator elects to opt into the new behaviour. If > you are a server operator and you want to keep using this, then by all > means, keep using it! Migration to the new protocol is totally up to you. > > Also, the challenge protocol is really simple, and does not specify the > contents of a challenge, so it should not be difficult to extend tools such > as this to take advantage of the new protocol, if so desired. > > If anyone has a burden of change forced on them, it is third party > *clients*. Once the main client speaks the new protocol, some servers will > want to take advantage of it. Valve will likely update our own games to do > this. (At least by default. We will retain a way for community server > operators to opt out.) At this point, third party clients will need to be > updated if they wish to communicate with those servers who have decided to > use the new protocol. > > If there are any opensource projects that seek assistance in making these > changes, feel free to email me or contact me on github: > https://github.com/fletcherdvalve > > -----Original Message----- > From: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com < > csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com> On Behalf Of Tim Anderson > Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:56 PM > To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: [External Mail] [Csgo_servers] RE: Changes to A2S_INFO - take 2 > > So this is where you can actually talk to a Valve employee. It is sad to > see such an important change only being talked about here. > > I have to agree with Kyle Sanderson here. This is rather strange seeing > precious Valve employee time being devoted to a small ddos vector when > there are countless >20x methods that will never be fixed. > > Switching from the padding method to the challenge method is just pushing > the burden of change to another set of people. You will break countless > middleware that depend on it like this: > https://github.com/blastehh/SourceQueryCacheMono and requiring stateful > firewalls to block a2sinfo spam. > > I think it would be a better solution to tell the game server providers to > stop their strict filtering. They are used to frequent game updates anyway. > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/ -- ------------------------------ +------------------------------+ | [F+M] Freaks & Misfits: | | ___ ___ | | | _| _____ __ __ |_ | | | | | | ___|_ | \/ | | | | | | | | |_ _| |_| . . | | | | | | | | _|_ _| |\/| | | | | | | | | | |_| | | | | | | | | | |_ \_| \_| |_/ _| | | | |___| |___| | +------------------------------+ | Steam-Community: | | FreaksMisfits | | Web-Site: | | FreaksMisfits.club | | E-Mail: | | wea...@freaksmisfits.club | +------------------------------+ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/
