I know this whole thing is did to death already... but I just read some of this, and it makes me think.
I suspect that a lot of the table based layout enthusiasts are people who made a switch (partial even) from desktop publishing. Ron mentioned he did, and I have some clients that have websites built in tables that think like the webpage is a printed page. Most of them never look at code at all, they just use Dreamweaver or something, and they want their content to sit on a page and not move, the text to be the same size that they said it was going to be, and look the same way to everyone... just like a book/brochure/what-have-you. I do desktop publishing as much as web development, and learned how to make websites in tables initially (in school, before professional work), but I see a huge divide in the thinking behind the mediums, and having a creative comparison between the two is like comparing video to a postcard. As far the need for change on your websites being, maybe every five years, I think that has to do with your not being in the professional realm, and not having demanding clients. But if I had a couple hundred pages, and my clients said they changed their logo or banner or something, I would be scared to make the change in tables. And the idea of a webpage being there forever and living on after we die... it's only gonna live as long as the server is maintained, and someone has to do that. I would rather make something that any forward thinking web developer could take out of my hands an run into the future with after I die. I do a lot of clean up in table based layouts for clients, and even though I know how, it's alot easier to work in code written with semantic <div> tags. I wonder, Ron, do you use a WYSIWYG editor to make your tables? Or do you get in the code and type in you <td> & <tr> tags? ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/