Very odd. I tried another Windows machine FF works IE fails (and it does show a mirror is selected) Before the error would only happen if the mirror name showed up as [preferred].
Tried on officemate's mac and windows. Mac with FF fails. Windows with IE works. Thanks Troy -----Original Message----- From: ctakes-dev-return-1248-Bleeker.Troy=mayo....@incubator.apache.org [mailto:ctakes-dev-return-1248-Bleeker.Troy=mayo....@incubator.apache.org] On Behalf Of Masanz, James J. Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:43 AM To: '<[email protected]>' Subject: RE: cTAKES 3.0.0 Feedback Was: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduate cTAKES from Incubator Odd, I just went to a different computer to test fresh and here is what I see for this page: http://incubator.apache.org/ctakes/downloads.cgi If I click on one of file names in the "File" column of the table, I get prompted to download (or a download starts) in all of these : FF 18.0.1 IE 8 Chrome Could it be a clearing cache problem on your machine Troy? Could you try a different PC? -- James > -----Original Message----- > From: > ctakes-dev-return-1247-Masanz.James=mayo....@incubator.apache.org > [mailto:ctakes-dev-return-1247- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bleeker, Troy > C. > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:29 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: cTAKES 3.0.0 Feedback Was: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduate cTAKES > from Incubator > > I just open the downloads page again this morning. If the first thing > I do is click a downloadable file I get the error. > I'm using FF 18.02. I also tried IE 8, same thing. > In both cases pressing the Change button makes it work. > > Thanks > Troy > -----Original Message----- > From: > ctakes-dev-return-1246-Bleeker.Troy=mayo....@incubator.apache.org > [mailto:ctakes-dev-return-1246- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Chen, Pei > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:45 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: cTAKES 3.0.0 Feedback Was: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduate cTAKES > from Incubator > > > - The downloads page must work. It now seems to function alright > ***IF*** you refresh the page or select a mirror and click the Change > button. > > Hi Troy, > I think this was fixed. Links (sidenav) were updated to use > downloads.cgi instead of html. Could you confirm? > > On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:58 AM, "Bleeker, Troy C." > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > All the suggestions and discussion are good. There's a lot here, > > sorry > for the long summary. First things first: > > > > - The downloads page must work. It now seems to function alright > ***IF*** you refresh the page or select a mirror and click the Change > button. If you do neither and try to download you get this error: "The > requested URL /ctakes/[preferred]incubator/ctakes/apache-ctakes-3.0.0- > incubating-bin.tar.gz was not found on this server." Anyone have time > to fix this? > > - Adding a link to the install instructions makes it obvious (which > > I > have done to the page) but it was there in a sense. The page said "Use > the Developer and User Guides to direct you through the installation > process." and the links to those were just to the left in the hierarchy. > > - "Last official release" was held until now. Since 3.0 is going to > > be > officially announced, 3.0 will go there. I made that change as well. > > - A list of changed features has not been high priority since the > original goal was to make a 3.0 in Apache that pretty much matched the > function of 2.5. The only thing that changed was how the product is > built and shipped. Nevertheless we need to state at least that > somewhere. > > - The resources file is 1.1 GB not 2 right? > > > > Keep in mind that the community decided to release cTAKES 3.0 > > without > the doc being complete, but these must be next: > > - The current guides are still not complete. I made it through the > developer guide but the user guide still has problems. I get errors > after installing and running scripts. I have not been able to try the > comparison test that was available previously. The table at the bottom > I have not got to yet. > > - We have 2 sites now 1) cTAKES home > http://incubator.apache.org/ctakes/ 2) cTAKES doc > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CTAKES. I've done my best > to minimize a user going back and forth. We have it this way because a > useful guide is not easy (IMHO or even possible) with markdown text in > the cTAKES home pages. There are still 3.0 developer and user guide > pages on the cTAKES home site that should be removed so no one > stumbles on to them. > > - Where would a newcomer hit first? Internet search for "ctakes" or > "ctakes 3.0" is probably first. Top hits on those lists should be > modified to point to the best Apache cTAKES landing page. > > - The Getting Started page needs to be written in context of all > future releases not just 3.0. > > - Previous releases list. We need to both point to the NCI sites for > 2.6 and back plus create an archive for what will be the history of > Apache releases. Needs work your right. > > > > Potential priorities after that: > > - The examples, as described by Andy, would be more than a readme > should have. This would be great for a how-to guide. > > - The Developer Guide and User Guide have historically been install > guides not how-to guides. I don't think a how-to guide should be > incorporated into these but should be its own document. > > - cTAKES has never had a how-to guide that I know of. Making one > > would be great and as you say should include things like 1) pointers > > to > where to find basic information 2) very high level overview of the > components in the context of using them to do a very basic task like > 3) I think it was suggested that the Getting Started page might be > something like this in very short form. If we did that then it would > point to a more comprehensive how-to guide. > > - Project history page of all cTAKES releases placed on Apache sites > somewhere. Good plan if short. I would not copy readmes there but have > links to them. > > I already did this for cTAKES 2.5 and past: > > https://wiki.nci.nih.gov/display/VKC/cTAKES+Roadmap > > Move this page to Apache? Have a page on Apache that continues this > and points back to what already exists? > > Also, I had this project history on the Apache cTAKES downloads page > but that section was removed when 3.0 was placed on there. If you can > find the history of changes to that page you may find something > already done in markdown format. > > - Creating a single download for a newcomer. This has been discussed > and tabled by the community for the time being in order to get the 3.0 > release done and out the door. We need to come back to this in order > to make the best first impression. > > > > Troy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > ctakes-dev-return-1230-Bleeker.Troy=mayo....@incubator.apache.org > > [mailto:[email protected]. > > org] On Behalf Of Chen, Pei > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:17 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: cTAKES 3.0.0 Feedback Was: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduate cTAKES > > from Incubator > > > > Thanks Andy for the feedback. > > Examples are a good idea- Were you thinking of adding it to the > > README > file or the confluence user guide? > > > > Feel free to update the downloads page(s) (it uses Apache CMS) and > > the > User Guides (Confluence wiki). > > Note: The release is still being replicated to all of the mirrors > > and > may take up to 24 hrs, so I would wait until after the weekend before > testing all of the mirror links. > > > > --Pei > > ________________________________________ > > From: Andy McMurry [[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:08 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate cTAKES from Incubator > > > > Clarifications > > > > There isn't a last Apache release. But there are last previous NIH, > Sourceforge, and Apache releases? > > TODO: Project History Page (Simple, just the releases and times, > ideally with JIRA generated release notes). > > > > Suggestion: Demonstration > explanation. Use Examples !! > > > > EXAMPLE 1 : Basic Pipeline (without UMLS) > > > > ** SHOW Before and after clinical text, demonstrates purpose > > ** LIST the 5 steps > > ** Most impressive demo would be the smoking status pipeline > > > > EXAMPLE 2: Basic Pipeline (with UMLS) > > > > ** SHOW Before and after (input text -> output annotations) > > ** LIST the steps > > ** Most impressive demo would be a negation of a cancer diagnosis > > and > NER of a medication (chemotherapuetic drug). > > > > Thoughts? > > --andy > > > > > > On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Andy McMurry <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Sure thing Pei. > >> > >> I dont think cTAKES is ready for attention grabbing release (humble > opinion). > >> And when you release you want to grab attention! ! cTAKES is > awesome!! > >> > >> Suggestions (release blockers) > >> > >> (1) Downloads > >> http://incubator.apache.org/ctakes/downloads.cgi > >> ! Link to install instructions is not there but "Verifying > signatures" takes up 20% of the page. NEEDS OBVIOUS LINK TO INSTALL > INSTRUCTIONS. > >> ! Last official release is blank because there isn't one, remove it ! > >> First mirror I tried was a 404? (not sure which one). I changed the > >> mirror then OK. Test all mirrors (script) ? Previous releases are > VERY confusing. > >> ? The NIH and SourceForge pages should redirect to cTAKES, google > "cTAKES download" and imagine how confused a beginner would be. > >> > >> (2) User Guide > >> http://incubator.apache.org/ctakes/3.0.0/user-guide-3.0 > >> ? 3.0.0 : no list of new features from last stable release. Why > >> would > a user bother to upgrade to a beta? > >> ! Would be better to have a bundled download with resources, if > possible. Otherwise, make it clear to a newcomer what the benefit of > getting UMLS / LVG is. (one sentence). > >> ! Needs a very high level overview of the components in the context > of using them to do a very basic task like. > >> ! This is likely the most frequently accessed document for cTAKES. > >> It > has almost no pointers to where to find basic information. > >> > >> (3) OTHER > >> * The NCI and SourceForge links are now highly confusing. > >> * While I am downloading, I should be reading the recommended "Get > >> Started" guide > >> > >> I'm still downloading the 2GB resources file. > >> I'll try and get back to you about the install when that is done too. > >> > >> This constructive criticism is because I believe cTAKES is AWESOME. > >> Hard to see how awesome it is given the current instructions. > >> > >> --Andy > >> > >> > >> On Feb 15, 2013, at 5:02 PM, "Chen, Pei" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Andy, > >>> So much has changed in cTAKES since last year, if you have a > >>> chance- > do you also want to try downloading the -bin and ensure at least the > steps in the README are able to get you started? > >>> > >>> --Pei > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> From: Andy McMurry [[email protected]] > >>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 4:04 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate cTAKES from Incubator > >>> > >>> Suggestion: can we get a good programmer with no cTAKES experience > to kick the tires and tell us how long it took to get started? > >>> > >>> John Resig (jQuery founder) once told me "if it takes more than 15 > minutes to get started, then that is way too long". > >>> > >>> "What is necessary is that enough investment be put into > >>> presentation that newcomers can get past the obstacle of > unfamiliarity. ... Hactivation energy: the amount of energy a newcomer > must put in before she starts getting something back" > >>> -- From "Producing Open Source Software" > >>> > >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=0vbr7xvvzjgC&pg=PA21&lpg=PA21&dq= > >>> ha > >>> c > >>> ktivation+energy&source=bl&ots=D0hP85ndwz&sig=G5HO-7GbLqQPwLaI6210 > >>> ktivation+D9 > >>> ktivation+W > >>> Gk2E&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N6EeUZXVHMHhiALq3YG4BQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepag > >>> e& > >>> q > >>> =hacktivation%20energy&f=false > >>> > >>> > >>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 12:55 PM, "Chen, Pei" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> This is to open a discussion to graduate Apache cTAKES podling > >>>> from > the Apache Incubator. > >>>> > >>>> Apache cTAKES entered the Incubator in June of 2012. We have made > significant progress with the project since moving over to Apache. We > currently have 18 committers listed on our status page at [1] > including over 10 which accepted after the podling was formed. > >>>> > >>>> During incubation, cTAKES has : > >>>> * Produced 1 Release > >>>> * Added 10 new Committer/PPMC members and shows constant > >>>> community activities > >>>> * Cleared IP on code > >>>> * Developed Roadmap(s) for the next major and minor releases in a > >>>> community process and started working on that [2] > >>>> * The community of Apache cTAKES is active, healthy, and growing > and has demonstrated the ability to self-govern using accepted Apache > practices. > >>>> > >>>> [1] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#ctakes > >>>> [2] > >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CTAKES#selectedTab=com.atla > >>>> ss i an.jira.plugin.system.project%3Aroadmap-panel > >
