[CTJUG Forum] Re: Promoting Africa

[Dr Heinz M. Kabutz]

Ok, so that begs the question - where are the GOOD DEVELOPERS going to?

 

Are they just jumping around between companies?

 

Are they going to Perth / Dublin / Harare?

 

Are they retiring?

 

Kind regards from

Heinz
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From: CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Java Mad
Sent: 31 January 2006 16:36
To: CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com
Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Promoting Africa

I have to agree with Roland on his 2c.

Now thats the reason people are slowly moving away from Java as

well since no company want to skill employees or junior developers

 

These people are out of job and get into the market of Microsoft's yes

Microsoft .Net, C#, VB.Net

 

And i can bet you that if this keeps on going Microsoft .Net will become a

market leader.

And i know it takes some time to get cross skilled from ASP VB etc to .Net

the challenge might be worth it......

 

And why does Java Developers have big wallets....

Is it becos there is a shortage(Thats why they take advantage of it)

Or is it just that they dont give a junior a opportunity

 

And why does project nose-dive....

Becos they dont want to skill transfer or mentor other individuals

and then when the GOOD DEVELOPER leaves there is no 1 to take over...

 

Sorry for the MS PUN....but if we want more skilled people

give the junior or entry level people a chance

YOUD BE SUPRISE... or how talented we are

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Roland Giesler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Werner Britz wrote:
> Finding a job as an entry-level Java programmer is really
> difficult, even if you have other IT experience. Maybe if
> companies give entry-level Java programmers a chance, things could
> change a bit...

Well I advertised on Clug, Glug and elsewhere a while back for a java
programmer to code a project for me, and got no takers. Repeatedly.
Eventually I got a guy in JHB who does it part-time now and it's working for
us both, albeit too slow really. We had to reschedule the whole project.

Asking around as SUN I have come to the conclusion there are few Java
programmers around.

Now if the school (new IT subject area) would give their courseware a more
real world facelift, we would have quite a few Java developers in a few
years, but having been in teaching for a while, it seems that the progress
and level of skill is really low, unless you have kids that study Java
outside their curriculum at school. Maybe my perceptions are wrong, but
hey, that's what it appears to be like from over here. On th e other hand,
I have supported a move away from Java in favour of Python, since it is so
much easier to learn and understand. (But I guess this is the wrong place
to say so!)

My 2c...

Roland Giesler
Green Tree Systems cc
Phone: 072-450-2817

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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